Neither does mask-wearing except for a few ethnic minorities and elderly grandparents. Once they're back home they all mix together in huge groups anyway. There are parents living a few doors from me who've taken no notice of any restrictions since the whole thing started.In short, the problems are not in schools, it's at the school gates, it's arriving and leaving. Social distancing doesn't exist .
Londoners are too busy running away from someone with a machete.View attachment 16936
I'm a little puzzled as to how London and the South is being kept so low?
Yeah, loads of places are >100, the numbers are so high that it'll take a very long time to get them back down again.The days up to the 13th in Cov is 33 per 100k which used to be considered high but is in fact fuck all compared to some places. Which tells you the shitshow the country is in right now.
That’s the process though isn’t it? What would be the alternative?Yep...Liverpool has now gone over the 100 mark...and it appears the whole of the north-west is there or thereabouts.
My kids school just sent home the whole of year 5 as one child had a positive test.......seems fucking barmy to me as year 5s have siblings across every year group.
A totally unworkable solution.
What a fucking mess.
That’s the process though isn’t it? What would be the alternative?
Only those with positive test or symptoms? It’s an idea but that would just lead to huge increase in infections wouldn’t it?
I've always struggled to understand how you can contain something that is invisible in 60+% of people.
Another national lockdown won't happen (even if it was enforced, plenty would rebel now), we're left with either waiting for a vaccine (which plenty wouldn't take) or...herd immunity...
How would you rebel, though? Demand to go and sit in an office? Illicit pints from the back of a transit?even if it was enforced, plenty would rebel now
House parties for the young, tea parties for the old. And the odd march. Enough to keep transmission going.How would you rebel, though? Demand to go and sit in an office? Illicit pints from the back of a transit?
How would you rebel, though? Demand to go and sit in an office? Illicit pints from the back of a transit?
But what extra could they do to rebel?I’m guessing that people will still meet up NW. I’ve got a fair few intelligent(ish) mates and people are done. They will still wear masks, wash hands etc but I don’t think many/any would adhere fully to another full lockdown lockdown measures
But what extra could they do to rebel?
At the moment, you can't meet up beyond a group of six, so you'd be rebelling anyway.
What a fuller lockdown would do is stop as many people being compelled to be placed in a position alongside people who didn't obey. That at least brings it back to personal responsibility, rather than spreading to the unsuspecting.
I know some on here prefer if I didn’t add data/info backed context to certain discussions but I have finally found testing per country info earlier (for those interested). Again, like anything Covid it’s probably a little questionable/inaccurate, however, we are currently (as of a week ago - I think our tests have actually increased by 50k per day in the last 7-10 days from around 170k to 220k) testing more per 1000 than anywhere in Europe.
I think the majoriy would. We hear the outliers, but if (yeah OK, my argument falls down here!) it's communicated well what the plan is, and why it's being done, you'd get all the more.Fair point, I’m just saying that original lockdown most people obeyed the not meeting/mixing households, I don’t see it happening again
Covid-19: Is the UK carrying out more tests than anywhere else in Europe?
Last week at Prime Minister’s Questions Boris Johnson claimed that the UK was now carrying out more covid-19 tests than anywhere else in Europe. In response to a question from the Labour Party leader, Keir Starmer, the prime minister said, “Not only are we getting the pandemic under control...www.bmj.com
That’s why there are bubbles though. All of those in the positive test kids class could have it but not yet be presenting. You can’t just let it run wildfire even test and trace tells close contact individuals to isolate for a period of time.Surely just isolate the kid who is positive. But sending 60+ kids home on short notice is just dumb. It fucks up childcare arrangements, work schedules & inevitably means more kids are looked after by vulnerable grandparents etc. & is ultimately futile anyway as they have siblings in other years & the parents are out & about, working, shopping, boozing etc. in the community anyhow.
Pretty much.
We're currently fucking up a generations life chances, killing the economy & dividing society all over a virus that is pretty harmless to most & can be killed with soap & water.
What a fucking mess.
That’s why there are bubbles though. All of those in the positive test kids class could have it but not yet be presenting. You can’t just let it run wildfire even test and trace tells close contact individuals to isolate for a period of time.
Surely just isolate the kid who is positive. But sending 60+ kids home on short notice is just dumb. It fucks up childcare arrangements, work schedules & inevitably means more kids are looked after by vulnerable grandparents etc. & is ultimately futile anyway as they have siblings in other years & the parents are out & about, working, shopping, boozing etc. in the community anyhow.
Pretty much.
We're currently fucking up a generations life chances, killing the economy & dividing society all over a virus that is pretty harmless to most & can be killed with soap & water.
What a fucking mess.
It’s not a close all. Would you suggest just the person who’s positive should be off and any presenting symptoms until they get a negative testWhat other country adopts a close all policy?
imagine if we had a working track and trace system?
Indeed. Isolate the kid. Test his/her classmates. Back in school Friday, Perfect.
Never mind eh......I got a half price Ice cream in August so its all golden....
It’s not a close all. Would you suggest just the person who’s positive should be off and any presenting symptoms until they get a negative test
Why do you think many professional people disagree with that?Obviously and then regardless if the test the class carries on as normal and that person has two weeks off
Carping - carping meaning - Google Searchstop carping!
Why do you think many professional people disagree with that?
Schools and public health England doThey don’t - people in Europe don’t and the uk people now in work don’t.
I've always struggled to understand how you can contain something that is invisible in 60+% of people.
Another national lockdown won't happen (even if it was enforced, plenty would rebel now), we're left with either waiting for a vaccine (which plenty wouldn't take) or...herd immunity...
Not true. It’s also about giving contracts to Tory party donors and family members.Every single plan is about a headline grabbing initiative which usually involves hoovering up a lot of government spending for no return. Instead of megalabs why not bolster the existing lab capacity in order to provide long term resilience?
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