Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (11 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Do you not think a profession with a huge recruitment crisis might not have already thought about these things generally before Cov-ID. I can’t see the added ‘incentive’ of you may die being a seller to be honest.

It’s alright G just volunteered to do my A level classes by Zoom

 

[CCFCSteve]

Sweden just this week admitted that they got it wrong. Not really sure what point you think you’re making there but whatever it is Sweden disagrees with you.

Sweden’s a funny one. I’ve seen some comments (from inside and out) thinking they fucked up, others not. Nobody will know until you look back in years to come and see the deaths/illnesses over the period of the whole outbreak and the impact of lockdowns (on economy, schooling and other illnesses)

It's bordering on impossible to compare countries anyway though, Ive read Sweden has a massive percentage (40%) of single occupiers with no kids, so the household spread (highest risk of contagion) is likely to be far more limited over there. It’s why there’s been a massive problem with household spread of different ethnicities in this country (not really ever mentioned but if anyone looks at the data on the surveillance reports, it’s stark)

That’s before you go into density of certain populations, cultures, obedience to laws etc etc

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Ultimately we have no control outside of the school gates. That falls on the parents and kids themselves, and all the measures we put in place can only mitigate as best we can.

You're right. I have the misfortune to live fairly close to a large primary school and to walk past the kids and parents at start and end of school you wouldn't think coronavirus even existed.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You're right. I have the misfortune to live fairly close to a large primary school and to walk past the kids and parents at start and end of school you wouldn't think coronavirus even existed.

As a newly retired teacher would you help out again to cover if asked?

 

[Ian1779]

You quoted New Zealand - when did they reopen schools

There were more deaths in single care homes than the entirety of their country.

 

[Grendel]

There were more deaths in single care homes than the entirety of their country.

So which other country would you like to benchmark school policy on or are we utterly unique?

 

[Grendel]

I am tempted to say something which will cause total outrage regarding this nonsense

 

[shmmeee]

Pubs and restaurants need to go I think. Encourage WFH again. Fuck knows to be honest. If testing was there and people would isolate and follow the guidelines we’d probably need nothing.

In short, the problems are not in schools, it's at the school gates, it's arriving and leaving. Social distancing doesn't exist .

This. I have to wait ten minutes between dropping the kids off because of staggered start times, just means a massive throng of parents waiting for their turn next to each other.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I am tempted to say something which will cause total outrage

Doesn't normally stop you, tbf

 

[Grendel]

Doesn't normally stop you, tbf

Could be a shocker

 

[Ian1779]

So which other country would you like to benchmark school policy on or are we utterly unique?

Depends if you can find another country so utterly incapable of managing this pandemic generally, or specifically a testing system that really needed to be robust enough to cope, yet also capable enough to see that this was going to happen a mile off.

 

[Grendel]

Depends if you can find another country so utterly incapable of managing this pandemic generally, or specifically a testing system that really needed to be robust enough to cope, yet also capable enough to see that this was going to happen a mile off.

Not really as cases are escalating all over Europe whatever actions were taken Ian - Classic misdirection

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Depends if you can find another country so utterly incapable of managing this pandemic generally, or specifically a testing system that really needed to be robust enough to cope, yet also capable enough to see that this was going to happen a mile off.

It all went very quiet on the suggestion that things like pubs would have to close, once schools were opened.

tbf it's difficult - far harder to close, open, close something than just do one or t'other, but it does look like we're just crossing our fingers atm. Maybe I'm wrong, and a plan will be announced, but there's little sign of it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Could be a shocker

Go on, treat yourself

 

[CCFCSteve]

It all went very quiet on the suggestion that things like pubs would have to close, once schools were opened.

tbf it's difficult - far harder to close, open, close something than just do one or t'other, but it does look like we're just crossing our fingers atm. Maybe I'm wrong, and a plan will be announced, but there's little sign of it.

It sounds like (and I’m guessing and taking some bits from what I’ve read/heard), that next it will be pubs closing earlier/curfews.

The highest risk of contagion still appears household related, when other areas start catching up they’ll have to start closing them.

I’ve said before though, my personal view (for what it’s worth) is it makes sense to keep it location/regional based for time being. There is no point enforcing measures on remote areas when they are pretty much unaffected by Covid.

 

[Ian1779]

Classic misdirection

Being the expert of said term I’ll bow to your undoubted experience in the matter.

 

[Grendel]

Go on, treat yourself

I have some views on the whole nonsense that I suspect are aligned with yours

The whole thing is ridiculous as the vast majority of people are unaffected so it’s hysteria which I have seen before in the 80s

it would surely be more sensible to have a policy to encourage society to behave like normal but protect the vulnerable with information. Most vulnerable people are old and some have conditions so advise them to isolate if they wish - 99% of the whole population won’t be impacted and most that will are the older generation who don’t work. So get public information films around this. Have supermarkets open to vulnerable groups only at certain. Times. Have Pubs and cafes with set areas for these people,

protect the tiny minority at risk and not punish the massive majority

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I have some views on the whole nonsense that I suspect are aligned with yours

The whole thing is ridiculous as the vast majority of people are unaffected so it’s hysteria which I have seen before in the 80s

it would surely be more sensible to have a policy to encourage society to behave like normal but protect the vulnerable with information. Most vulnerable people are old and some have conditions so advise them to isolate if they wish - 99% of the whole population won’t be impacted and most that will are the older generation who don’t work. So get public information films around this. Have supermarkets open to vulnerable groups only at certain. Times. Have Pubs and cafes with set areas for these people,

protect the tiny minority at risk and not punish the massive majority

As it happens I completely agree but in school I wouldn’t dream of saying it.

 

[Ian1779]

It all went very quiet on the suggestion that things like pubs would have to close, once schools were opened.

tbf it's difficult - far harder to close, open, close something than just do one or t'other, but it does look like we're just crossing our fingers atm. Maybe I'm wrong, and a plan will be announced, but there's little sign of it.

We’re only saying what we are experiencing on the ground day to day. We are 13 days into the new school year and national attendance is at 85%.

A plan needs to be in place to arrest this situation.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I have some views on the whole nonsense that I suspect are aligned with yours

The whole thing is ridiculous as the vast majority of people are unaffected so it’s hysteria which I have seen before in the 80s

it would surely be more sensible to have a policy to encourage society to behave like normal but protect the vulnerable with information. Most vulnerable people are old and some have conditions so advise them to isolate if they wish - 99% of the whole population won’t be impacted and most that will are the older generation who don’t work. So get public information films around this. Have supermarkets open to vulnerable groups only at certain. Times. Have Pubs and cafes with set areas for these people,

protect the tiny minority at risk and not punish the massive majority

I expected more outrage causing, tbh

 

[chiefdave]

I have some views on the whole nonsense that I suspect are aligned with yours

The whole thing is ridiculous as the vast majority of people are unaffected so it’s hysteria which I have seen before in the 80s

it would surely be more sensible to have a policy to encourage society to behave like normal but protect the vulnerable with information. Most vulnerable people are old and some have conditions so advise them to isolate if they wish - 99% of the whole population won’t be impacted and most that will are the older generation who don’t work. So get public information films around this. Have supermarkets open to vulnerable groups only at certain. Times. Have Pubs and cafes with set areas for these people,

protect the tiny minority at risk and not punish the massive majority

Don't think that's particularly controversial tbh. Needs testing and tracing to be up to standard and unfortunately we're not exactly 'world leading' at either.

 

[covmark]

I think ADM has it right (surprised me too ) in that pubs, clubs, gyms etc should be closed first. Schools should be the last resort.

I've been regularly going to the gym, have you? I'd say it's the most sanitised and well run place I've been to since the pandemic hit. Bookings only, 45 minute sessions that start on the hour. With a 15 minute clean by staff in between sessions. Socially distanced machines and weights.
Why should they close?
Agree on Pubs, after a few beers no one gives a shit.

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[Ring Of Steel]

I've been regularly going to the gym, have you? I'd say it's the most sanitised and well run place I've been to since the pandemic hit. Bookings only, 45 minute sessions that start on the hour. With a 15 minute clean by staff in between sessions. Socially distanced machines and weights.
Why should they close?
Agree on Pubs, after a few beers no one gives a shit.

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Spot on, the gym I go to is way, way more controlled, sanitised, cleaned than anywhere else I go to.

it stands to reason- nobody is going to go to a gym unless they value it as a resource, so it’s in nobody’s interests to act stupid, so everyone is impeccably behaved.

On top of that, on 2 occasions now I’ve seen people trying to do a hard work out with a face mask on, which is great comic relief when everything else seems to be turning to shit.

don’t underestimate the importance of gyms compared to your nail bars etc

 

[covmark]

Spot on, the gym I go to is way, way more controlled, sanitised, cleaned than anywhere else I go to.

it stands to reason- nobody is going to go to a gym unless they value it as a resource, so it’s in nobody’s interests to act stupid, so everyone is impeccably behaved.

On top of that, on 2 occasions now I’ve seen people trying to do a hard work out with a face mask on, which is great comic relief when everything else seems to be turning to shit.

don’t underestimate the importance of gyms compared to your nail bars etc

Yeah didn't mention in my post the mental and physical benefits of the gyms being open. It's a good point.

A couple of people wear masks at the gym I go to. I think to myself I'd probably keel over if I wore one, its hard enough as it is haha.

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[wingy]

It sounds like (and I’m guessing and taking some bits from what I’ve read/heard), that next it will be pubs closing earlier/curfews.

The highest risk of contagion still appears household related, when other areas start catching up they’ll have to start closing them.

I’ve said before though, my personal view (for what it’s worth) is it makes sense to keep it location/regional based for time being. There is no point enforcing measures on remote areas when they are pretty much unaffected by Covid.

They must be catching it somewhere out and about to take it home first?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Curfew at 11.00pm please unless , of course , you are going to work.
Close all pubs at 10pm.
Get the coppers out and fine
anyone flouting the law £500 on the spot.

That's just for starters .

What's the evidence base for this?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Where is the evidence of where transmission seems to be taking place?

 

[Deleted member 7943]

I'm a little puzzled as to how London and the South is being kept so low?

 

[Ian1779]

I have some views on the whole nonsense that I suspect are aligned with yours

The whole thing is ridiculous as the vast majority of people are unaffected so it’s hysteria which I have seen before in the 80s

it would surely be more sensible to have a policy to encourage society to behave like normal but protect the vulnerable with information. Most vulnerable people are old and some have conditions so advise them to isolate if they wish - 99% of the whole population won’t be impacted and most that will are the older generation who don’t work. So get public information films around this. Have supermarkets open to vulnerable groups only at certain. Times. Have Pubs and cafes with set areas for these people,

protect the tiny minority at risk and not punish the massive majority

This isn’t a bad idea but there need to be some clear guidelines and assurances.

For example, I have a child that was classified as ‘vulnerable’. If the decision is made that she has to be protected by not being at school, what support or protection do I or the missus get to ensure we are not penalised by our employers for not being able to attend work as we have to care for her. Does her sibling have to also be out of school to protect her?

As with anything, a clear plan, strategy and people with the capability to execute it would do wonders in implementing an idea such as yours.

 

[Ian1779]

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I'm a little puzzled as to how London and the South is being kept so low?

Got to be lack of available tests.

 

[covmark]

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I'm a little puzzled as to how London and the South is being kept so low?

Because we're all extremely anti social down here.

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[Deleted member 5849]

This isn’t a bad idea but there need to be some clear guidelines and assurances.

For example, I have a child that was classified as ‘vulnerable’. If the decision is made that she has to be protected by not being at school, what support or protection do I or the missus get to ensure we are not penalised by our employers for not being able to attend work as we have to care for her. Does her sibling have to also be out of school to protect her?

As with anything, a clear plan, strategy and people with the capability to execute it would do wonders in implementing an idea such as yours.

I don't have the answer, but I also think we have to be wary of treating a sector of society as 'different' and somehow 'inferior' too. In terms of affect on their mental health, it'd better if we're all in it together, than they go and watch others having fun and socialising.

 

[CCFCSteve]

They must be catching it somewhere out and about to take it home first?

Of course in terms of own households but visitors to people’s homes is still believed to be the highest risk of contagion (makes sense when you think of how much external places are cleaned, sprayed, masks being worn in shops, confined spaces etc). How often do people social distance around other people’s houses, wear masks etc ?!

 

[CCFCSteve]

Where is the evidence of where transmission seems to be taking place?

There’s stuff on the surveillance reports around contract tracing contacts (likely close contact) but it’s not 100%.

Ps I’d imagine though as the spread increases so does the risks in busier/confined external places as you’d be around more people who are likely to have it thereby increasing risk of contact (guess work not supported !)

It’s why they need that track and trace app sorted asap to work alongside the manual tracing....and an errr adequate testing system

Edit - sorry, just to clarify I’m talking about risk of transmission. In terms of where it actually happens for each person I guess it’s going to be extremely difficult to ever be 100% accurate so element of (hopefully well) educated guessing in some cases, especially again as spread increases and thereby risks increase of contagion from various sources (again personal view)

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

This isn’t a bad idea but there need to be some clear guidelines and assurances.

For example, I have a child that was classified as ‘vulnerable’. If the decision is made that she has to be protected by not being at school, what support or protection do I or the missus get to ensure we are not penalised by our employers for not being able to attend work as we have to care for her. Does her sibling have to also be out of school to protect her?

As with anything, a clear plan, strategy and people with the capability to execute it would do wonders in implementing an idea such as yours.

I would ensure that you and your wife are allowed to teach remotely, and given the necessary tech to do the job. Depending on the numbers you could be matched up with students kept home for the same reason. Just throwing ideas out mind