Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

Grendel

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There were more deaths in single care homes than the entirety of their country.
So which other country would you like to benchmark school policy on or are we utterly unique?
 

Grendel

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I am tempted to say something which will cause total outrage regarding this nonsense
 

shmmeee

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Pubs and restaurants need to go I think. Encourage WFH again. Fuck knows to be honest. If testing was there and people would isolate and follow the guidelines we’d probably need nothing.

In short, the problems are not in schools, it's at the school gates, it's arriving and leaving. Social distancing doesn't exist .
This. I have to wait ten minutes between dropping the kids off because of staggered start times, just means a massive throng of parents waiting for their turn next to each other.
 

Ian1779

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So which other country would you like to benchmark school policy on or are we utterly unique?
Depends if you can find another country so utterly incapable of managing this pandemic generally, or specifically a testing system that really needed to be robust enough to cope, yet also capable enough to see that this was going to happen a mile off.
 

Grendel

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Depends if you can find another country so utterly incapable of managing this pandemic generally, or specifically a testing system that really needed to be robust enough to cope, yet also capable enough to see that this was going to happen a mile off.
Not really as cases are escalating all over Europe whatever actions were taken Ian - Classic misdirection
 

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Depends if you can find another country so utterly incapable of managing this pandemic generally, or specifically a testing system that really needed to be robust enough to cope, yet also capable enough to see that this was going to happen a mile off.
It all went very quiet on the suggestion that things like pubs would have to close, once schools were opened.

tbf it's difficult - far harder to close, open, close something than just do one or t'other, but it does look like we're just crossing our fingers atm. Maybe I'm wrong, and a plan will be announced, but there's little sign of it.
 

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It all went very quiet on the suggestion that things like pubs would have to close, once schools were opened.

tbf it's difficult - far harder to close, open, close something than just do one or t'other, but it does look like we're just crossing our fingers atm. Maybe I'm wrong, and a plan will be announced, but there's little sign of it.
It sounds like (and I’m guessing and taking some bits from what I’ve read/heard), that next it will be pubs closing earlier/curfews.

The highest risk of contagion still appears household related, when other areas start catching up they’ll have to start closing them.

I’ve said before though, my personal view (for what it’s worth) is it makes sense to keep it location/regional based for time being. There is no point enforcing measures on remote areas when they are pretty much unaffected by Covid.
 

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Go on, treat yourself
I have some views on the whole nonsense that I suspect are aligned with yours

The whole thing is ridiculous as the vast majority of people are unaffected so it’s hysteria which I have seen before in the 80s

it would surely be more sensible to have a policy to encourage society to behave like normal but protect the vulnerable with information. Most vulnerable people are old and some have conditions so advise them to isolate if they wish - 99% of the whole population won’t be impacted and most that will are the older generation who don’t work. So get public information films around this. Have supermarkets open to vulnerable groups only at certain. Times. Have Pubs and cafes with set areas for these people,

protect the tiny minority at risk and not punish the massive majority
 

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I have some views on the whole nonsense that I suspect are aligned with yours

The whole thing is ridiculous as the vast majority of people are unaffected so it’s hysteria which I have seen before in the 80s

it would surely be more sensible to have a policy to encourage society to behave like normal but protect the vulnerable with information. Most vulnerable people are old and some have conditions so advise them to isolate if they wish - 99% of the whole population won’t be impacted and most that will are the older generation who don’t work. So get public information films around this. Have supermarkets open to vulnerable groups only at certain. Times. Have Pubs and cafes with set areas for these people,

protect the tiny minority at risk and not punish the massive majority
As it happens I completely agree but in school I wouldn’t dream of saying it.
 

Ian1779

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It all went very quiet on the suggestion that things like pubs would have to close, once schools were opened.

tbf it's difficult - far harder to close, open, close something than just do one or t'other, but it does look like we're just crossing our fingers atm. Maybe I'm wrong, and a plan will be announced, but there's little sign of it.
We’re only saying what we are experiencing on the ground day to day. We are 13 days into the new school year and national attendance is at 85%.

A plan needs to be in place to arrest this situation.
 

NorthernWisdom

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I have some views on the whole nonsense that I suspect are aligned with yours

The whole thing is ridiculous as the vast majority of people are unaffected so it’s hysteria which I have seen before in the 80s

it would surely be more sensible to have a policy to encourage society to behave like normal but protect the vulnerable with information. Most vulnerable people are old and some have conditions so advise them to isolate if they wish - 99% of the whole population won’t be impacted and most that will are the older generation who don’t work. So get public information films around this. Have supermarkets open to vulnerable groups only at certain. Times. Have Pubs and cafes with set areas for these people,

protect the tiny minority at risk and not punish the massive majority
I expected more outrage causing, tbh
 
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I have some views on the whole nonsense that I suspect are aligned with yours

The whole thing is ridiculous as the vast majority of people are unaffected so it’s hysteria which I have seen before in the 80s

it would surely be more sensible to have a policy to encourage society to behave like normal but protect the vulnerable with information. Most vulnerable people are old and some have conditions so advise them to isolate if they wish - 99% of the whole population won’t be impacted and most that will are the older generation who don’t work. So get public information films around this. Have supermarkets open to vulnerable groups only at certain. Times. Have Pubs and cafes with set areas for these people,

protect the tiny minority at risk and not punish the massive majority
Don't think that's particularly controversial tbh. Needs testing and tracing to be up to standard and unfortunately we're not exactly 'world leading' at either.
 
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I think ADM has it right (surprised me too ;)) in that pubs, clubs, gyms etc should be closed first. Schools should be the last resort.
I've been regularly going to the gym, have you? I'd say it's the most sanitised and well run place I've been to since the pandemic hit. Bookings only, 45 minute sessions that start on the hour. With a 15 minute clean by staff in between sessions. Socially distanced machines and weights.
Why should they close?
Agree on Pubs, after a few beers no one gives a shit.

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I've been regularly going to the gym, have you? I'd say it's the most sanitised and well run place I've been to since the pandemic hit. Bookings only, 45 minute sessions that start on the hour. With a 15 minute clean by staff in between sessions. Socially distanced machines and weights.
Why should they close?
Agree on Pubs, after a few beers no one gives a shit.

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Spot on, the gym I go to is way, way more controlled, sanitised, cleaned than anywhere else I go to.

it stands to reason- nobody is going to go to a gym unless they value it as a resource, so it’s in nobody’s interests to act stupid, so everyone is impeccably behaved.

On top of that, on 2 occasions now I’ve seen people trying to do a hard work out with a face mask on, which is great comic relief when everything else seems to be turning to shit.

don’t underestimate the importance of gyms compared to your nail bars etc
 

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Spot on, the gym I go to is way, way more controlled, sanitised, cleaned than anywhere else I go to.

it stands to reason- nobody is going to go to a gym unless they value it as a resource, so it’s in nobody’s interests to act stupid, so everyone is impeccably behaved.

On top of that, on 2 occasions now I’ve seen people trying to do a hard work out with a face mask on, which is great comic relief when everything else seems to be turning to shit.

don’t underestimate the importance of gyms compared to your nail bars etc
Yeah didn't mention in my post the mental and physical benefits of the gyms being open. It's a good point.

A couple of people wear masks at the gym I go to. I think to myself I'd probably keel over if I wore one, its hard enough as it is haha.

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It sounds like (and I’m guessing and taking some bits from what I’ve read/heard), that next it will be pubs closing earlier/curfews.

The highest risk of contagion still appears household related, when other areas start catching up they’ll have to start closing them.

I’ve said before though, my personal view (for what it’s worth) is it makes sense to keep it location/regional based for time being. There is no point enforcing measures on remote areas when they are pretty much unaffected by Covid.
They must be catching it somewhere out and about to take it home first?
 

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I'm a little puzzled as to how London and the South is being kept so low?
 

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I have some views on the whole nonsense that I suspect are aligned with yours

The whole thing is ridiculous as the vast majority of people are unaffected so it’s hysteria which I have seen before in the 80s

it would surely be more sensible to have a policy to encourage society to behave like normal but protect the vulnerable with information. Most vulnerable people are old and some have conditions so advise them to isolate if they wish - 99% of the whole population won’t be impacted and most that will are the older generation who don’t work. So get public information films around this. Have supermarkets open to vulnerable groups only at certain. Times. Have Pubs and cafes with set areas for these people,

protect the tiny minority at risk and not punish the massive majority
This isn’t a bad idea but there need to be some clear guidelines and assurances.

For example, I have a child that was classified as ‘vulnerable’. If the decision is made that she has to be protected by not being at school, what support or protection do I or the missus get to ensure we are not penalised by our employers for not being able to attend work as we have to care for her. Does her sibling have to also be out of school to protect her?

As with anything, a clear plan, strategy and people with the capability to execute it would do wonders in implementing an idea such as yours.
 
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This isn’t a bad idea but there need to be some clear guidelines and assurances.

For example, I have a child that was classified as ‘vulnerable’. If the decision is made that she has to be protected by not being at school, what support or protection do I or the missus get to ensure we are not penalised by our employers for not being able to attend work as we have to care for her. Does her sibling have to also be out of school to protect her?

As with anything, a clear plan, strategy and people with the capability to execute it would do wonders in implementing an idea such as yours.
I don't have the answer, but I also think we have to be wary of treating a sector of society as 'different' and somehow 'inferior' too. In terms of affect on their mental health, it'd better if we're all in it together, than they go and watch others having fun and socialising.
 

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They must be catching it somewhere out and about to take it home first?
Of course in terms of own households but visitors to people’s homes is still believed to be the highest risk of contagion (makes sense when you think of how much external places are cleaned, sprayed, masks being worn in shops, confined spaces etc). How often do people social distance around other people’s houses, wear masks etc ?!
 

CCFCSteve

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Where is the evidence of where transmission seems to be taking place?
There’s stuff on the surveillance reports around contract tracing contacts (likely close contact) but it’s not 100%.

Ps I’d imagine though as the spread increases so does the risks in busier/confined external places as you’d be around more people who are likely to have it thereby increasing risk of contact (guess work not supported !)

It’s why they need that track and trace app sorted asap to work alongside the manual tracing....and an errr adequate testing system

Edit - sorry, just to clarify I’m talking about risk of transmission. In terms of where it actually happens for each person I guess it’s going to be extremely difficult to ever be 100% accurate so element of (hopefully well) educated guessing in some cases, especially again as spread increases and thereby risks increase of contagion from various sources (again personal view)
 
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This isn’t a bad idea but there need to be some clear guidelines and assurances.

For example, I have a child that was classified as ‘vulnerable’. If the decision is made that she has to be protected by not being at school, what support or protection do I or the missus get to ensure we are not penalised by our employers for not being able to attend work as we have to care for her. Does her sibling have to also be out of school to protect her?

As with anything, a clear plan, strategy and people with the capability to execute it would do wonders in implementing an idea such as yours.
I would ensure that you and your wife are allowed to teach remotely, and given the necessary tech to do the job. Depending on the numbers you could be matched up with students kept home for the same reason. Just throwing ideas out mind
 

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In short, the problems are not in schools, it's at the school gates, it's arriving and leaving. Social distancing doesn't exist .
Neither does mask-wearing except for a few ethnic minorities and elderly grandparents. Once they're back home they all mix together in huge groups anyway. There are parents living a few doors from me who've taken no notice of any restrictions since the whole thing started.
 

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The days up to the 13th in Cov is 33 per 100k which used to be considered high but is in fact fuck all compared to some places. Which tells you the shitshow the country is in right now.
 

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The days up to the 13th in Cov is 33 per 100k which used to be considered high but is in fact fuck all compared to some places. Which tells you the shitshow the country is in right now.
Yeah, loads of places are >100, the numbers are so high that it'll take a very long time to get them back down again.