Ian1779
Well-Known Member
It’s not about the government locking it down.
It’s not about the government locking it down.Is that what European countries see doing?
I don’t think it’s a case of them being ‘closed’ by the government, it’s more that eventually there will not be enough staff to keep them open safely.
School lockdown by default.
It was an easy decision last time. Y11 basically gone, end of the year in sight with summer to hope for improvement.
If you don’t lock down when you close schools you don’t get people into work because kids are at home and there’s no support because technically the government isn’t doing anything.
I think the schools will be the last thing to close TBH. They’ll just be expected to hobble on like all public services when under resourced.
Jesus Christ
Schools have to stay open . Everything else has to be shut first in my opinion. Pubs, nail bars, sports centres, gyms etc.Attendance right now is about 85% and falling daily
Schools have to stay open . Everything else has to be shut first in my opinion. Pubs, nail bars, sports centres, gyms etc.
Schools have to stay open . Everything else has to be shut first in my opinion. Pubs, nail bars, sports centres, gyms etc.
I think they will.Cant see it happening unless other European countries do
The logistical problem will come if we get into half in half out for teachers or students or both. My own view is we need to drop the farcical restrictions in school and let us teach normally so the education provided is the highest quality
I think they will.
tbh, regardless of where we all sit on this, wouldn't the worst thing to do be to follow them all belatedly, as per last time? Don't we either need to commit to a Sweden style approach, or New Zealand style approach, as of now... rather than muddle along, hope for the best, and end up causing more damage by having to shut down after all, just worse than it maybe could and should have been?
We again have the advantage. We need to decide what we do with that.
Attendance right now is about 85% and falling daily
I'm not really asking for an opinion in that statement, as we'll all differ. I was hoping for consensus that government needs to lead.Go for Sweden added with keeping the vulnerable indoors
Don’t know about schools elsewhere but numerous schools in Rugby have had to close entire years already for a period of time. Stands to reason that at some point an entire school will have to close if only for a fortnight. Hopefully temporary closures on a year by year or school by school basis will be enough. Really don’t want the schools to close for 5 months again.They will as long as there are staff to keep it open and students to teach.
I see your point, but we have safety restrictions in school and the government have already lost control of the testing situation and can’t keep on top of it. Take them away and you will give the virus even more opportunity to spread.
I'm not really asking for an opinion in that statement, as we'll all differ. I was hoping for consensus that government needs to lead.
I think you need to elaborate my friend
Don’t know about schools elsewhere but numerous schools in Rugby have had to close entire years already for a period of time. Stands to reason that at some point an entire school will have to close if only for a fortnight. Hopefully temporary closures on a year by year or school by school basis will be enough. Really don’t want the schools to close for 5 months again.
Sweden just this week admitted that they got it wrong. Not really sure what point you think you’re making there but whatever it is Sweden disagrees with you.well if other industries cope and other Countries do keep schools Open it says something either about us being over cautious or die thing else. Sweden never closed did they?
well if other industries cope and other Countries do keep schools Open it says something either about us being over cautious or die thing else. Sweden never closed did they?
The difference is that it doesn’t take many staff absences to leave schools unable to have an adult in every room.
The difference is that it doesn’t take many staff absences to leave schools unable to have an adult in every room.
I think ADM has it right (surprised me tooNo one does, but unless someone gets a grip on what is happening I can’t see anything else but it happening, although I wouldn’t expect it to last anywhere near as long as before.
Throwing a bunch of 70+ yos in is throwing in the people who need protecting most.Can they not employ retired teachers, supply teachers etc on a temporary basis as and when? Otherwise should we just have zoom lessons for the next few years? Could save money by firing most teachers I guess
Throwing a bunch of 70+ yos in is throwing in the people who need protecting most.
Needs radical thinking. If we close over winter, we need to open schools over summer to compensate.
Because they come in contact with parents who are higher risk, who come in contact with grandparents who are higher risk still, who come in contact with delivery drivers, farmers etc...but most in schools are of minimal risk so by your own argument why close them?
Yeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssss. You left out nail bars but if you want that luxury then you can have it.I think ADM has it right (surprised me too) in that pubs, clubs, gyms etc should be closed first. Schools should be the last resort.
In short, the problems are not in schools, it's at the school gates, it's arriving and leaving. Social distancing doesn't exist .Because they come in contact with parents who are higher risk, who come in contact with grandparents who are higher risk still, who come in contact with delivery drivers, farmers etc...
It's not the immediate, it's what happens after that is the issue. And to effectively exile a segment of society as pariahs to not be seen by anybody could, potentially, be more destructive psychologically both to them and their dependents, as a full lockdown.
if you do it quicker and harder, it probably doesn't need to be for as long as last time. Schools close for a fortnight over Christmas anyway, we have a week half term in October. A Three week shutdown in October/November, seeing how it goes, extending as necessary, and chalking extensions off summer could potentially skew trends to allow for *more* freedoms and normaility, than a muddling through doing neither.
Well... it's also when a child goes home to be looked after by somebody who's vulnerable to it. As for distancing, we've had a chance to think how we could make schools, well... bigger - see us utilise buildings / rooms that currently stand vacant as staff aren't using them, encourage workers who can to work from home, subsidise essential services (give a pay rise to people who serve you at the checkout ffs) and yes, if necessary cut wages of people who are travelling less and so have less costs. Re-think where we're going, and how.In short, the problems are not in schools, it's at the school gates, it's arriving and leaving. Social distancing doesn't exist .
Can they not employ retired teachers, supply teachers etc on a temporary basis as and when? Otherwise should we just have zoom lessons for the next few years? Could save money by firing most teachers I guess
Can they not employ retired teachers, supply teachers etc on a temporary basis as and when? Otherwise should we just have zoom lessons for the next few years? Could save money by firing most teachers I guess
Come on, you know they’ll go until it’s one dinner lady in a sport hall with an entire year group.
Ultimately we have no control outside of the school gates. That falls on the parents and kids themselves, and all the measures we put in place can only mitigate as best we can.In short, the problems are not in schools, it's at the school gates, it's arriving and leaving. Social distancing doesn't exist .
Well... it's also when a child goes home to be looked after by somebody who's vulnerable to it. As for distancing, we've had a chance to think how we could make schools, well... bigger - see us utilise buildings / rooms that currently stand vacant as staff aren't using them, encourage workers who can to work from home, subsidise essential services (give a pay rise to people who serve you at the checkout ffs) and yes, if necessary cut wages of people who are travelling less and so have less costs. Re-think where we're going, and how.
Now, I can spout bollocks on here easy enoughbut where's the cross-party working group on all this? tbf, I assume there is one?
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