Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (28 Viewers)

[Nick]

Report on Reuters from China, that people who have recovered from the virus are still showing as being infected after tests. I'm not sure if this is a way in which they could upwardly massage their reported numbers, being cynical, if not is is potentially catastrophic.

The thing is, people who are confirmed to have had it are being released from hospital.

Do they test them before they go to see if it still shows up or just tell them to go home for a bit? How will they know when they can go for the shop for example?

 

[David O'Day]

I'd find that a bit sad even without the situation we are in to be honest. Hardly demonstrating NHS staff exhausted and rushed off their feet and dead bodies all over the place is it?

Any grown adult filming dance routines for Tiktok doesn't sit right at the best of times. I dread to think I'd be at a party where somebody gets their phone out and says "Lets film a Tiktok". I would be leaving sharpish.

Mate they it's a 15 second video, they are allowed a break

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[fernandopartridge]

Wouldn't it have been filmed within the pandemic as they don't usually wear masks and gloves all of the time?

On the ICU they pretty much do, certainly did when dealing with my sister. (I had to wear mask, glove and apron as a visitor).

Otherwise, they wear both where appropriate to do at any time, the NHS uses 1bn pairs of gloves a year. It isn't just something they use in pandemics.

 

[clint van damme]

Mate they it's a 15 second video, they are allowed a break

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No. If they don't spend the whole shift stressed, scared and weeping it's all bullshit.

 

[Nick]

Mate they it's a 15 second video, they are allowed a break

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I don't disagree, not sure it's in the best of taste to have your break on medical equipment for TikTok though.

 

[Nick]

On the ICU they pretty much do, certainly did when dealing with my sister. (I had to wear mask, glove and apron as a visitor).

Otherwise, they wear both where appropriate to do at any time, the NHS uses 1bn pairs of gloves a year. It isn't just something they use in pandemics.

Well yeah, they will obviously always need gloves.

This brings to the other point, why aren't scrubs and everything re-usable? Obviously gloves won't be and the cheap masks.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The thing is, people who are confirmed to have had it are being released from hospital.

Do they test them before they go to see if it still shows up or just tell them to go home for a bit? How will they know when they can go for the shop for example?

So pissed off with people taking advantage of the gold nature (naïveté) of people I know. Sister on critical care working 12 hours without a break. Why not ensure legal minimums are adhered to? Why is it left to the nursing staff to ask? Brother agency care nurse gone back with flu symptoms as he’s isolated for 7 days and there’s no testing available. Other sister medical secretary expected to work at hospital and social distancing not possible. Oh well we can all applaud them tomorrow tonight

 

[Nick]

So pissed off with people taking advantage of the gold nature (naïveté) of people I know. Sister on critical care working 12 hours without a break. Why not ensure legal minimums are adhered to? Why is it left to the nursing staff to ask? Brother agency care nurse gone back with flu symptoms as he’s isolated for 7 days and there’s no testing available. Other sister medical secretary expected to work at hospital and social distancing not possible. Oh well we can all applaud them tomorrow tonight

Exactly, a clap with a Police Helicopter and a tiktok dance won't fix that.

 

[David O'Day]

Raab the man Wurzel claimed would the next pm showing that if he has to do more than repeat the same 3 word mantra he is hopelessly out of his depth

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[skybluetony176]

I'd find that a bit sad even without the situation we are in to be honest. Hardly demonstrating NHS staff exhausted and rushed off their feet and dead bodies all over the place is it?

Any grown adult filming dance routines for Tiktok doesn't sit right at the best of times. I dread to think I'd be at a party where somebody gets their phone out and says "Lets film a Tiktok". I would be leaving sharpish.

Anyone who gets on their high horses over this is a complete knob jockey oxygen thief.
Personally I’m glad that medical professionals who have to decide who’s ventilator to turn off, sleep in cars because they’re scared to go home and give this to their family, work long hours for shit pay, been shat on by the government for a decade have 5 minutes minutes to distract themselves from the horrible existence they’re living at the moment.

They’re on the frontline and dealing with things no one should need too. What next? Label soldiers in WW1 trenches cowards for having a game of football on Christmas Day. Some people need to take all this spare time they have on their hands to take a long hard look at themselves.

 

[skybluetony176]

Wouldn't it have been filmed within the pandemic as they don't usually wear masks and gloves all of the time?

What does it matter either way?

 

[Nick]

Anyone who gets on their high horses over this is a complete knob jockey oxygen thief.
Personally I’m glad that medical professionals who have to decide who’s ventilator to turn off, sleep in cars because they’re scared to go home and give this to their family, work long hours for shit pay, been shat on by the government for a decade have 5 minutes minutes to distract themselves from the horrible existence they’re living at the moment.

They’re on the frontline and dealing with things no one should need too. What next? Label soldiers in WW1 trenches cowards for having a game of football on Christmas Day. Some people need to take all this spare time they have on their hands to take a long hard look at themselves.

Do you think any of the people in those videos have just made those decisions? They don't really look like consultants and doctors but more like gimps fucking about. They want to go viral and get Piers Morgan bigging them up.

Of course there are NHS staff working all hours of the day to the point of exhaustion. The poor woman who couldn't get any food as an example as well and the people going home with their faces covered in sores from wearing masks etc. Pretty sure they weren't interested in learning a dance routine.

Same with the police rocking up to Walsgrave and flying helicopters over, they say they are overworked even without the pandemic but have time to do shit like that.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Anybody caught filming a Tiktok in a police or NHS uniform on duty should be fucked off.

Couldn't give a shit if they think it's lifting spirits, you have police saying they are underfunded but can send a helicopter to fly over Walsgrave and loads of officers to clap outside ignoring social distancing. It's purely attention-seeking for likes off the back of the awful situation.

Probably the same cunts who took all the food and will hammer the benefits for the NHS staff who really are working hard.

I am working harder than I would be in school because of kids who can’t be arsed to do work and because they will find any excuse to say the instructions were too difficult. I have also been asked to run online clubs and hold small group meetings with my tutor group and write summer exams.

I’m going insane between that and the missus doing the same so no time for Instatwat

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

'I touched death': A coronavirus survivor's story

This is good! Again why the hell is someone working an 18 hour shift and how is that sustainable.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Report on Reuters from China, that people who have recovered from the virus are still showing as being infected after tests. I'm not sure if this is a way in which they could upwardly massage their reported numbers, being cynical, if not is is potentially catastrophic.

Probably because they still have viral particles but at levels low enough to not have symptoms

 

[skybluetony176]

Do you think any of the people in those videos have just made those decisions? They don't really look like consultants and doctors but more like gimps fucking about.

Of course there are NHS staff working all hours of the day to the point of exhaustion. The poor woman who couldn't get any food as an example as well and the people going home with their faces covered in sores from wearing masks etc. Pretty sure they weren't interested in learning a dance routine.

How would I know? I wouldn’t, same as you. Gimps? I guess you would know assuming that you have a mirror in your house.

How do you know they weren’t interested in learning a dance routine. The one thing that they’ll all have in common is needing a distraction to maintain their sanity, if they choose that distraction to be learning a dance routine so what. Go and have a think to yourself.

 

[Nick]

'I touched death': A coronavirus survivor's story

This is good! Again why the hell is someone working an 18 hour shift and how is that sustainable.

Isn't it illegal for somebody to be driving for 18 hours a day?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I agree entirely. But I can't help think Dominos are doing this more for the PR than the gesture.

Yeah probably but it’s not about them

 

[Nick]

How would I know? I wouldn’t, same as you. Gimps? I guess you would know assuming that you have a mirror in your house.

How do you know they weren’t interested in learning a dance routine. The one thing that they’ll all have in common is needing a distraction to maintain their sanity, if they choose that distraction to be learning a dance routine so what. Go and have a think to yourself.

The clue that they are grown adults posting on Tiktok kind of gives it away.

 

[clint van damme]

How would I know? I wouldn’t, same as you. Gimps? I guess you would know assuming that you have a mirror in your house.

How do you know they weren’t interested in learning a dance routine. The one thing that they’ll all have in common is needing a distraction to maintain their sanity, if they choose that distraction to be learning a dance routine so what. Go and have a think to yourself.

I've been through spells at work working 12 to 16 hours a day 7 days a week.
To think you can't have amy fucking about and horseplay in those situations if fucking nonsense. It's what helps get you through, (Not suggesting my situation was a stressful as this far from it)

Probably not a good idea to put if on social media with the government trying to scapegoat you and all sorts of arseholes lining up to take a pop admittedly.

 

[Grendel]

I've been through spells at work working 12 to 16 hours a day 7 days a week.
To think you can't have amy fucking about and horseplay in those situations if fucking nonsense. It's what helps get you through, (Not suggesting my situation was a stressful as this far from it)

Probably not a good idea to put if on social media with the government trying to scapegoat you and all sorts of arseholes lining up to take a pop admittedly.

Of course you can and it’s the same for politicians who use gallows humour phrases as they are also under pressure

 

[Nick]

I've been through spells at work working 12 to 16 hours a day 7 days a week.
To think you can't have amy fucking about and horseplay in those situations if fucking nonsense. It's what helps get you through.

Probably not a good idea to put if on social media with the government trying to scapegoat you and all sorts of arseholes lining up to take a pop admittedly.

Of course people will have horseplay and fuck about. There will be nurses, doctors, police etc sat about having a laugh in canteens as we speak to get through the day. They aren't climbing all over expensive equipment on wards filming themselves to go viral though.

They are filming it with the aim of getting likes and to go viral off the back of the praise the NHS are getting at the minute (and quite rightly so). Probably want to get a slot on This Morning.

I have a laugh at work all the time, I don't dance on customer's equipment and post it on social media though. I don't claim to be overworked and drive over to the hospital in the middle of my shift to film myself clapping as some sort of competition to say I can clap the loudest.

If my colleagues were dealing with something serious in the room down the corridor I wouldn't start dancing about to the Weeknd to get a few likes on social media.

I have had close relatives die from illness, not sure how I'd feel if a few people were filming their latest craze in the room next door to post online. (There wasn't social media then to be fair).

There's a time and a place for it, surely?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Unprecedented and people just doing their bit. That’s where people earn their money as managers ensuring risks are managed and immune systems aren’t lowered through tiredness and people aren’t taken for granted but rest assured we’ll give them all a clap and mean it but those who can make tangible differences to their lives, including safely working in a crisis and maybe increasing their wage by the rate of inflation at some point this decade to come

 

[fernandopartridge]

Well yeah, they will obviously always need gloves.

This brings to the other point, why aren't scrubs and everything re-usable? Obviously gloves won't be and the cheap masks.

Scrubs are reusable and are laundered, usually on site.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Yeah probably but it’s not about them

It shouldn't be but who's getting their name in the news over the gesture? Dominos. So they've made it about them

 

[skybluetony176]

The clue that they are grown adults posting on Tiktok kind of gives it away.

Fair play to them. It’s a way of sharing some joy. Much needed at the moment. Now go and have that think about your life.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Do you think any of the people in those videos have just made those decisions? They don't really look like consultants and doctors but more like gimps fucking about. They want to go viral and get Piers Morgan bigging them up.

Of course there are NHS staff working all hours of the day to the point of exhaustion. The poor woman who couldn't get any food as an example as well and the people going home with their faces covered in sores from wearing masks etc. Pretty sure they weren't interested in learning a dance routine.

Same with the police rocking up to Walsgrave and flying helicopters over, they say they are overworked even without the pandemic but have time to do shit like that.

Piers Morgan won't big them up. He'd go full-on attack asking why the hell are they mucking about during a crisis.

As that appears to be radiology, which has probably had most of it's appointments cancelled to reduce the number of very vulnerable people coming in and potentially catching the virus, they're probably less busy than normal, but still needs to be staffed.

I imagine those that work there alternate between ICU etc and that department to allow a bit of a rest. There is no way anyone could cope mentally with just full-on death/disease, go home, come back and repeat. To work that hard you have to play hard too to give your mind and body the chance to recover.

I do think it was a very silly thing to post it online though. If it helps you unwind great but keep it among yourselves. Otherwise you're just giving the nutcases ammo.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Of course you can and it’s the same for politicians who use gallows humour phrases as they are also under pressure

That's fine. It's when you were saying Labour MP's should be sacked for disgraceful comments then refer to Johnson as 'gallows humour' it's a bit rich. Same standards for all.

 

[David O'Day]

Piers Morgan won't big them up. He'd go full-on attack asking why the hell are they mucking about during a crisis.

As that appears to be radiology, which has probably had most of it's appointments cancelled to reduce the number of very vulnerable people coming in and potentially catching the virus, they're probably less busy than normal, but still needs to be staffed.

I imagine those that work there alternate between ICU etc and that department to allow a bit of a rest. There is no way anyone could cope mentally with just full-on death/disease, go home, come back and repeat. To work that hard you have to play hard too to give your mind and body the chance to recover.

I do think it was a very silly thing to post it online though. If it helps you unwind great but keep it among yourselves. Otherwise you're just giving the nutcases ammo.

Not sure they would swap departments. My sister at her hospital in London does not have to work in the ICU. They are already fully staffed and while she is a consultant she isn't trained in ICU work.

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[Grendel]

That's fine. It's when you were saying Labour MP's should be sacked for disgraceful comments then refer to Johnson as 'gallows humour' it's a bit rich. Same standards for all.

Which examples are you referring to?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Not sure they would swap departments. My sister at her hospital in London does not have to work in the ICU. They are already fully staffed and while she is a consultant she isn't trained in ICU work.

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If they're trained for ICU I'd think they'd be rota'd onto it at the moment. Obviously if you're not then you wouldn't be. If not you risk burnout of those that are dealing with this full-on all the time while other departments are much quieter.

 

[chiefdave]

Australia smashing it

They do have the advantage of being an island, oh wait ...

 

[skybluetony176]

That's fine. It's when you were saying Labour MP's should be sacked for disgraceful comments then refer to Johnson as 'gallows humour' it's a bit rich. Same standards for all.

But the equivalent gallows humour from a nurse to Boris’ would have been a tiktok of a nurse singing take your breath away to Boris while Boris was on a ventilator.

 

[Grendel]

They do have the advantage of being an island, oh wait ...

Would you honestly have supported this government closing the borders to EU countries in January or would you have accused then of Brexit xenophobia

 

[fernandopartridge]

They do have the advantage of being an island, oh wait ...

The apologists will make an argument about density, but ignore that even though the island of Australia is vast the population mostly live in dense urban areas.