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I am sure a judgement by an independant expert would be accepted by most fans as the best achievable result.

I wonder how far the latest offer from ACL is to the clubs original demand. Would it be a fair argument that if the offer is close to the demand the current debt arrears is caused by ACL?

errr what? ... and who is sissu?

Which is exactly why arbitration is the best way forward.

I couldn't say for sure as I have no access to their accounts, but it certainly looks like it to me.

I understand that a failed business has ceased operation. A failing business could mean a business heading for bankruptcy but not quite there yet.

Have you heard about FFP?

Both parties have painted themself into a corner. It seems none are ready to compromise. TF calls for mediation, but as this will be unbinding it won't do much. The council ask sisu to leave the town ... that's not exactly asking for a compromise. I only see arbitration as a way forward...

Charity - investment. Quite opposite each other. Charity is about giving. Investment is about returns. As part of ACL the charity is merely an investor hoping to make a return ... a profit. Just like sisu was hoping to make a return when they invested in the club. Investors take chances -...

I think OSB did an analysis that showed all profits are invested in the facilities as well as paying back the mortgage. Neither shareholder (council/Higgs) have taken any dividend so far.

When Higgs became part of the ACL with a hope of making a return they became investors and we should see them as such.

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But it would be a second coming ...

You can spin it anyway you want, the fact is that all investors like the 'entrepreneur' (Ranson in this case) having his own hand on the frying pan. His ability to succeed or fail reflect proportional on the profit or loss for each party this way. Having said that, I like to think he payed a...

You think so? Or are you being sarcastic? It was the year of the sisu-out-campaign, so not all think it went too well. It was also the year where I earned my title of %¤#& ¤¤"&&/ sisu muppet.

Prozone was sold for about 7mio, Ranson got about 2mio in interests and repayment - I leave out the 1mio as they can be considered wages for his CEO position (in effect he funded his own wages while he was here). So Ranson actually lost 5mio. Unless the next accounts show more has been paid to...

Sisu did have a plan when they took over: 1) Stabilize the finanses 2) Gain promotion to PL 3) Buy the stadium ... and in that particular order. It was indeed Ranson who persuaded sisu to raise the money. In addition Ranson put in his own Prozone and thereby became shareholder (18%). The...

Oh, and did you read this part: You may actually be an indirect investor without you know it .... providing you have a pension.

How on earth did you come to that conclusion??? ccfc shares are not public listed - they can't be shorted. They may be able to offset losses against profit in their other investment. But that will only relieve their taxes.

So you are assuming. And that my friend, is the point I have been trying to make throughout this whole thread. But until we get some evidence, we can only guess or assume. It's words against words. In this particular case it is KH/Jan telling us TF's word - against the words from PWKH. 2nd...