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Haha. The whole leave argument from the hedge fund owners like Mogg and Eton elites like BoJo is to do away with pesky regulations. Where do think they will start, animal welfare, environment, tax or workers‘ rights? Not adapting the European Charter is a good start to potentially attack...

It’s not balanced.I just pointed out that we as mere citizens should agree that workers‘/ citizens‘ rights should remain protected by law in or out of the EU. You don’t seem bothered that the Tories want the Charter scrapped by Brexit. Is it because the EU passed the Charter?

Workers‘ right are not secure.

You just built him up as infallible and he did want to lead UKIP.

He just posted evidence. Why are we not adapting human rights guarantees from the EU? Anyone who has no power should be fighting for guarantees to stay anchored in law. Nothing to do with pro or anti EU.

Grendel implied that UKIP is racist and branded Tony with it as he voted UKIP. Once. The party being anti EU and your UKIP hero claiming that Brexit is good. That’s the connection. Race doesn’t come into in this case.

How can it be racist to mention someone’s political affiliation?

A charter of fundamental rights is not the same as some EU regulations e.g. for the curvature of bananas. The Lords want us to keep it. It would be a safeguard should people try to remove or change rights in the Charter. I can’t think why we should not keep the positive things of the EU. Just...

I don’t see why we are not keeping the charter of rights if we are not intending watering down workers‘ rights. At least „The enemies of the people in ermin“ are trying to keep the Charter of Fundamental Rights on the statutes. Tory government votes not to keep European human rights charter in...

Was the financial guy the one who stood for UKIP leadership?

Agreed. Voting politically for something that is awful should always be strongly condemned.

The interests of multinational companies are not necessarily the same as those of „decent ordinary folk“. He obviously knows about making huge sums of money. Fair play to him. Deregulation, less workers‘ rights, tax havens, less trade union power and in particular less environmental rules are...

Having the richest man in Britain as role model is strange for a leaver. Before it was all about decent ordinary folk against the wealthy elite. Now that it appears to be hitting the rocks, it is „well rich people say it is good, so it mus be good for decent ordinary folk“..

You mentioned that Tusk did something pro fracking in Poland... so you are trying to equate Tusk with Ratcliffe in that sense. Has nothing to do with what Mandelson said about newspaper owners.

They both have form for doing things leavers theoretically should be against. So in that respect, yes.

You took a rich person, I took a rich person. Yours has form for doing things that most leavers should be against, and probably are. Mine has similar form, but I gave a full quote which, although he said it, is actually true. Or at least no one has said how it isn’t true. Grendel and yourself...

Or even naive..;-)

Who defends Juncker’s tax dodging policies for Luxemburg? The super rich backing Brexit is not a good reason for the poor to back Brexit. No matter if their father was a joiner or bus driver or they went to a comprehensive school. The talk of „so called experts“ is worrying. If a doctor makes...

What has that got to do with Astute‘s ill chosen role model?

Look over there.... Donald Tusk is not the role model here... Ratcliffe is.