The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (20 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Yes plenty want it, maybe a third? Many want a soft Brexit, many want to remain. The only plausible compromise seems to be soft Brexit.



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70% of constituencies for both parties pretty much voted to leave and in some areas by a significant margin. London actually is the anomaly that prevented the gap being much wider

 

[ccfc92]

70% of constituencies for both parties pretty much voted to leave and in some areas by a significant margin. London actually is the anomaly that prevented the gap being much wider

London should just become it's own independent state as it is already considered to be the only important part of the country.

 

[Ian1779]

Plenty of conservatives want no deal as well and some labour areas definitely want it

Not for the same reasons though... and that's why this is so complicated.

 

[Ian1779]

Those in parliament who want to remain are easily in the majority. But it has all been about leaving so far. They haven't come together like they should have done. All they have done is argue like schoolkids. And who wants to listen to children arguing?

Because the root cause behind this is austerity and inequality... there are still those on the Labour side that believe in it.

 

[fernandopartridge]

70% of constituencies for both parties pretty much voted to leave and in some areas by a significant margin. London actually is the anomaly that prevented the gap being much wider

Not true, quite a number of cities voted remain, some by a significant margin. It is a myth that it was all London; Manchester, Newcastle, Leeds, Liverpool, Bristol, Leicester, York, Norwich, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Glasgow all voted remain. Nobody voted for No Deal and the drivel being spouted by Farage et al about WTO Brexit.

 

[Kingokings204]

Come on the brexit party. Looking good for a big win here. Interestingly spoke to many remainers who will vote for the brexit party as they believe in democracy. Good for them.

I wonder if we can re run the election if the brexit party won? I mean what do they stand for? I don’t think we know what we are voting for.

 

[djr8369]

Come on the brexit party. Looking good for a big win here. Interestingly spoke to many remainers who will vote for the brexit party as they believe in democracy. Good for them.

I wonder if we can re run the election if the brexit party won? I mean what do they stand for? I don’t think we know what we are voting for.

Presumably you are voting for their one policy which is the leave the EU? Unfortunately they have no power to action this so maybe you have a point.


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[Kingokings204]

Presumably you are voting for their one policy which is the leave the EU? Unfortunately they have no power to action this so maybe you have a point.


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Well by your logic then we should only ever have the 2 main parties ever standing. Obviously that’s illogical.

I would hardly call being the party that wins the Euro elections having no power. Heard it time and time again. Denial it is. Yet 4m votes for Ukip forced the referendum and Farage who has never won a seat in uk parliament was a key figure to deliver that result. Not bad for parties and people with “no power”

Wouldn’t you agree?

 

[Grendel]

Not true, quite a number of cities voted remain, some by a significant margin. It is a myth that it was all London; Manchester, Newcastle, Leeds, Liverpool, Bristol, Leicester, York, Norwich, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Glasgow all voted remain. Nobody voted for No Deal and the drivel being spouted by Farage et al about WTO Brexit.

241 conservative constituencies voted leave and 81 remain

For labour it was 148 leave and 84 remain

 

[djr8369]

Well by your logic then we should only ever have the 2 main parties ever standing. Obviously that’s illogical.

I would hardly call being the party that wins the Euro elections having no power. Heard it time and time again. Denial it is. Yet 4m votes for Ukip forced the referendum and Farage who has never won a seat in uk parliament was a key figure to deliver that result. Not bad for parties and people with “no power”

Wouldn’t you agree?

No, it doesn’t mean there should only be two parties standing.

They’ve no power to action their only policy. They can only influence how other parties act in future, unless they gain MPs in a GE.

Yes, Farage did help deliver that, despite never being elected to Parliament. So much for democracy then I guess?





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[Sky Blue Pete]

Just bizarre sad day for the country that people feel Farage has a solution for anything

 

[djr8369]

Just bizarre sad day for the country that people feel Farage has a solution for anything

The calibre of person up for election as an MEP for the Brexit party is sad and embarrassing. One believes child porn should be legalised. What kind of person votes for a party that would put someone like that forward as a candidate?

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Every leave campaigner said we’d get a deal and then leave. Nobody mentioned no deal.

The absence of information on the ballot paper doesn’t help your argument.


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It's actually very simple.
The question on the ballot paper... is the question.
Remain or Leave.


ps. This time if you reply, please don't change my post before you reply.

 

[Kingokings204]

No, it doesn’t mean there should only be two parties standing.

They’ve no power to action their only policy. They can only influence how other parties act in future, unless they gain MPs in a GE.

Yes, Farage did help deliver that, despite never being elected to Parliament. So much for democracy then I guess?





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Fair enough but you can’t have it both ways. Also I would make the point 4million ukip votes under PR would of gained around 80 MPs. 4million votes for ukip was more than greens SNP and lib dems combined. How many seats did they have?

I guess I’m saying blame the system. Never has a Uk parliament been so out touch with the country for this reason.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

The calibre of person up for election as an MEP for the Brexit party is sad and embarrassing. One believes child porn should be legalised. What kind of person votes for a party that would put someone like that forward as a candidate?

For someone who says a vote for the Brexit Party is little more than a protest vote, you do seem somewhat rattled by the prospect of them doing well.

 

[djr8369]

It's actually very simple.
The question on the ballot paper... is the question.
Remain or Leave.


ps. This time if you reply, please don't change my post before you reply.

Couldn't work out what you meant by changing your post but I see one of my lines has moved into your post. My apologies, genuine error.

Yes, remain or leave. Both the leave campaigns said we'd leave with a great deal. It's actually very simple. The ballot paper does not contain all the information about the specific question. I know you know that, I don't know why I'm bothering really.

 

[djr8369]

For someone who says a vote for the Brexit Party is little more than a protest vote, you do seem somewhat rattled by the prospect of them doing well.

The whole point of the party is it's a protest vote. Good attempted deflection though.

 

[Kingokings204]

The whole point of the party is it's a protest vote. Good attempted deflection though.

Protest vote? Like the referendum result was? Blimey there are quite a few protest votes these days. Sadly no such thing for me. I’ve always voted who I wanted to vote for because of what I believe in. I call it just voting.

 

[Astute]

The whole point of the party is it's a protest vote. Good attempted deflection though.

It isn't a protest vote for most. It is a vote where they have said what the voters want to hear and they believe what they have said. If it was just a protest vote UKIP would get about as many as the Brexit lot.

 

[Astute]

Couldn't work out what you meant by changing your post but I see one of my lines has moved into your post. My apologies, genuine error.

Yes, remain or leave. Both the leave campaigns said we'd leave with a great deal. It's actually very simple. The ballot paper does not contain all the information about the specific question. I know you know that, I don't know why I'm bothering really.

Are you one who will only ever mention the lies/misinformation from one side but totally ignore the lies/misinformation from the other side?

 

[Astute]

Because the root cause behind this is austerity and inequality... there are still those on the Labour side that believe in it.

There is many causes. But many are ignored whereas they are massive to others.

 

[Ian1779]

Protest vote? Like the referendum result was? Blimey there are quite a few protest votes these days. Sadly no such thing for me. I’ve always voted who I wanted to vote for because of what I believe in. I call it just voting.

The referendum result was one that said fuck you to 35+ years of this neo-liberal bullshit. You fuckers are all rich, we are getting poorer and poorer by the day and the things we need in our society/local community (jobs, housing, welfare, infrastructure investment outside of London) have gone to shit.

Is that not a protest?

 

[djr8369]

Are you one who will only ever mention the lies/misinformation from one side but totally ignore the lies/misinformation from the other side?

No but they don’t relate to this discussion of what was on the ballot paper.


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[djr8369]

The referendum result was one that said fuck you to 35+ years of this neo-liberal bullshit. You fuckers are all rich, we are getting poorer and poorer by the day and the things we need in our society/local community (jobs, housing, welfare, infrastructure investment outside of London) have gone to shit.

Is that not a protest?

It’s widely considered a protest vote, even by many leave voters, but I realised people are misunderstanding the term protest vote so gave up.


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[Grendel]

It’s widely considered a protest vote, even by many leave voters, but I realised people are misunderstanding the term protest vote so gave up.


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By the same logic Donald Trump was considered a protest vote

 

[Ian1779]

By the same logic Donald Trump was considered a protest vote

Anti-establishment.... Clinton was the epitome of the establishment.

 

[djr8369]

By the same logic Donald Trump was considered a protest vote

Yes.

 

[The Lurker]

Not true, quite a number of cities voted remain, some by a significant margin. It is a myth that it was all London; Manchester, Newcastle, Leeds, Liverpool, Bristol, Leicester, York, Norwich, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Glasgow all voted remain. Nobody voted for No Deal and the drivel being spouted by Farage et al about WTO Brexit.

says it all to me

 

[fernandopartridge]

says it all to me

The blue patches generally represent densely populated regions, so it doesn't say it all at all, the result was nearly 50:50

 

[westcountry_skyblue]

Up yours May,Corbyn,Krankie,and all other remoaners!!!

 

[The Lurker]

The blue patches generally represent densely populated regions, so it doesn't say it all at all, the result was nearly 50:50

no the result was 52-48 with a majority of over a million. you remainers are sore losers. it’s like losing a football match on pens. close but the result stands.

 

[djr8369]

View attachment 12223 Up yours May,Corbyn,Krankie,and all other remoaners!!!

If you can be proud to vote for child porn and IRA apologists and people who want to sell the countries assets to the highest bidders in America then good for you. Everyone is entitled to their vote.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

View attachment 12223 Up yours May,Corbyn,Krankie,and all other remoaners!!!

Farage man of the people!!! Don’t make me f’in laugh

 

[westcountry_skyblue]

Farage man of the people!!! Don’t make me f’in laugh

They don't like it up em!!!:emoji_laughing::emoji_joy:

 

[fernandopartridge]

no the result was 52-48 with a majority of over a million. you remainers are sore losers. it’s like losing a football match on pens. close but the result stands.

I voted leave