The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (1 Viewer)

[shmmeee]

Get some Ricin in especially.

Sounds like when we walked into a pub in Bristol and there were lads sat in there drinking soft drinks playing board games at 11pm on a Saturday

Don’t go upstairs in the Flying Standard on a Friday night.

 

[dutchman]

Luckily we don’t have to rely on your experience. As we have data.

It’s immigration from outside the EU you want to stop. You know, that thing all the leading Brexiteers have been promising to increase to prove they aren’t racist.

Wherabouts on that chart does it measure Romanians?

 

[Nick]

Don’t go upstairs in the Flying Standard on a Friday night.

Don't tell me Dungeons and Dragons is on?

 

[martcov]

Wherabouts on that chart does it measure Romanians?

They come under EEA. Which I know you well know.

 

[dutchman]

They come under EEA. Which I know you well know.

So you answer a point I made specifically about Romanians by quoting figures for the EEA as a whole?

 

[Astute]

Just been on phone to a mate in Labour party. He is seriously considering leaving and not returning until Corbyn is gone and major things change. Corbyn is calling for that IS bride to be allowed back into the UK.

How much further can he be away from what the people of the UK really want? Does he ever think before he speaks?

 

[Nick]

Just been on phone to a mate in Labour party. He is seriously considering leaving and not returning until Corbyn is gone and major things change. Corbyn is calling for that IS bride to be allowed back into the UK.

How much further can he be away from what the people of the UK really want? Does he ever think before he speaks?

Could you phone him back and tell him it only counts if he takes a picture of his destroyed membership card and puts it on social media?

 

[Ian1779]

Just been on phone to a mate in Labour party. He is seriously considering leaving and not returning until Corbyn is gone and major things change. Corbyn is calling for that IS bride to be allowed back into the UK.

How much further can he be away from what the people of the UK really want? Does he ever think before he speaks?

Didn’t realise you were in receipt of the whole nations opinion?

FWIW - I am torn on the matter. Part of me thinks that she should never return to the UK for choosing to leave to go there. Another part thinks that she was a kid - and kids make fucking stupid choices. If you let her back into the UK - charge her, detain her, use her to educate others on the danger signs of extremism and being radicalised. She’ll know more than most ‘experts’. This is obviously based on her being willing to make amends for going.

I’m not sure what the real answer is, but I don’t think you have the call on the nations true thoughts either.

Perhaps your mate is hankering for the Blair days - really didn’t think that was your bag but I’m not so sure.

 

[shmmeee]

So you answer a point I made specifically about Romanians by quoting figures for the EEA as a whole?

You take all of the EEA or you take none of it. It’s a package deal.

The reason they are cheaper than natives is they tend to be young and healthy. From my experience I’d guess Romanians tend that way more than average.

 

[skybluetony176]

Just been on phone to a mate in Labour party. He is seriously considering leaving and not returning until Corbyn is gone and major things change. Corbyn is calling for that IS bride to be allowed back into the UK.

How much further can he be away from what the people of the UK really want? Does he ever think before he speaks?

Rees Mogg was also calling for her return on question time last week.

 

[skybluetony176]

Brexit: Japan trade deal will be late

Our trade secretary. What a guy.

 

[Astute]

Didn’t realise you were in receipt of the whole nations opinion?

FWIW - I am torn on the matter. Part of me thinks that she should never return to the UK for choosing to leave to go there. Another part thinks that she was a kid - and kids make fucking stupid choices. If you let her back into the UK - charge her, detain her, use her to educate others on the danger signs of extremism and being radicalised. She’ll know more than most ‘experts’. This is obviously based on her being willing to make amends for going.

I’m not sure what the real answer is, but I don’t think you have the call on the nations true thoughts either.

Perhaps your mate is hankering for the Blair days - really didn’t think that was your bag but I’m not so sure.

What I want is a party the masses can trust. But it isn't happening. All we are hearing about is antisemitism, bullying, Hatton and his past and now Corbyn sticking his nose in something he doesn't have to.

I read somewhere where the British public had been asked if she should be allowed back. All white British said no. Most Muslims said no although some had sympathy for her and were not sure. But once they found out that she had shown no remorse all Muslims asked said she shouldn't be allowed back into the UK.

Hankering for the Bliar years? I take it you ignore or have forgotten everything I have said on the subject. Either that or you are just trying to muddy the waters.

 

[Grendel]

Luckily we don’t have to rely on your experience. As we have data.

It’s immigration from outside the EU you want to stop. You know, that thing all the leading Brexiteers have been promising to increase to prove they aren’t racist.

Oh dear

Immigrants cost Britain £3,000 a year each, says report

 

[Ian1779]

What I want is a party the masses can trust. But it isn't happening. All we are hearing about is antisemitism, bullying, Hatton and his past and now Corbyn sticking his nose in something he doesn't have to.

I read somewhere where the British public had been asked if she should be allowed back. All white British said no. Most Muslims said no although some had sympathy for her and were not sure. But once they found out that she had shown no remorse all Muslims asked said she shouldn't be allowed back into the UK.

Hankering for the Bliar years? I take it you ignore or have forgotten everything I have said on the subject. Either that or you are just trying to muddy the waters.

I’m well aware of your opinion on Blair - we share it. You say that you want a party that can be trusted en made, but seem ignorant of the fact that the establishment are so desperate in trying to retain control that will go to any measure at all, which includes misleading the general public.

Is Corbyn uncriticisable? Not at all, nor is he perfect. No one is saying that.

But take the anti-semitism issue. Of all reported cases this accounts for approx 0.08% of Lab members. Is that what we now class as endemic? I’ve explained on here before that there needs to be some education on this for all - especially given the confusion between Zionism and Judaism. That way you differentiate it between ignorance which can be corrected - and pure anti-Semitic words and actions.
Can you put your hand on your heart and truthfully say you think Corbyn is an anti-Semite?

I clearly don’t have the background knowledge of life experience on Corbyn and the left wing in general. But what I have experienced is 20 years as an adult of our society going to shit in the name of neo-liberalism, and us all being told we should blindly accept it, because the notion of socialism is extreme and dangerous.

 

[martcov]

So you answer a point I made specifically about Romanians by quoting figures for the EEA as a whole?

No, I don’t. I just say you are trying to bend things to fit your opinion. I don’t think your personal experience is enough to come to a conclusion on Romanians.

 

[martcov]

Oh dear

Immigrants cost Britain £3,000 a year each, says report

Migration watch. Well what a surprise. Totally unreliable right wing source quoted by the Telegraph.

Oh dear indeed.

 

[Grendel]

Migration watch. Well what a surprise. Totally unreliable right wing source quoted by the Telegraph.

Oh dear indeed.

Compared to the pro Eu author of the so called “statistics” whose analysis has been frequently ridiculed

 

[martcov]

Rees Mogg was also calling for her return on question time last week.

He is right. In this case. She is a British citizen. She should be allowed home and put on trial. If she has done something criminal then she should be punished. That’s how Britain works. Or rather did work.

 

[skybluetony176]

Migration watch. Well what a surprise. Totally unreliable right wing source quoted by the Telegraph.

Oh dear indeed.

Not to mention it’s five years old. There’s an article next to it that says the earth is flat.

 

[Grendel]

Not to mention it’s five years old. There’s an article next to it that says the earth is flat.

So was the graph Shmeee produced - that’s why I linked it

 

[Astute]

I’m well aware of your opinion on Blair - we share it. You say that you want a party that can be trusted en made, but seem ignorant of the fact that the establishment are so desperate in trying to retain control that will go to any measure at all, which includes misleading the general public.

Is Corbyn uncriticisable? Not at all, nor is he perfect. No one is saying that.

But take the anti-semitism issue. Of all reported cases this accounts for approx 0.08% of Lab members. Is that what we now class as endemic? I’ve explained on here before that there needs to be some education on this for all - especially given the confusion between Zionism and Judaism. That way you differentiate it between ignorance which can be corrected - and pure anti-Semitic words and actions.
Can you put your hand on your heart and truthfully say you think Corbyn is an anti-Semite?

I clearly don’t have the background knowledge of life experience on Corbyn and the left wing in general. But what I have experienced is 20 years as an adult of our society going to shit in the name of neo-liberalism, and us all being told we should blindly accept it, because the notion of socialism is extreme and dangerous.

0.08%? Would love to know how you got to that amount.

It seems you are misunderstanding what is being said.

Corbyn keeps giving gifts out to the Tories. He should get rid of the undesirables. But they are now able to join when they haven't been able to join since getting kicked out over 30 years ago. Then you have the bullying accusations. It has been going on for a fair bit now. Or today where he spoke out against what nearly everyone wants when he didn't have to.

Yet some try to blame the media for his gaffes. And that is what they are at least if you don't believe what many are saying.

Corbyn as leader is a liability to the Labour party. And that is without the many skeletons in the closet. The problem is that we don't have anyone who jumps to mind.

But what makes me laugh is those who have left the Labour party want to stay in the EU. Anything like another referendum or whatever will do. They have said about Corbyn not doing enough. Yet those who want exactly what those who have left the Labour party and those who have left the Tories to join them get attacked by those who are defending Corbyn.

 

[Astute]

He is right. In this case. She is a British citizen. She should be allowed home and put on trial. If she has done something criminal then she should be punished. That’s how Britain works. Or rather did work.

So the minimum hundreds that left the UK to join ISIS should all be let back in? Because Corbyn would be for it.

Would the UK still be safe?

 

[Sick Boy]

So the minimum hundreds that left the UK to join ISIS should all be let back in? Because Corbyn would be for it.

Would the UK still be safe?

So what would you do with them then? Do you not think that we should take responsibility for our own citizens and make them face the law?

If other countries’ citizens were committing horrendous crimes in Britain and their country of citizenship/origin was refusing to take them back, would you think that was right?

 

[SkyblueBazza]

So what would you do with them then? Do you not think that we should take responsibility for our own citizens and make them face the law?

If other countries’ citizens were committing horrendous crimes in Britain and their country of citizenship/origin was refusing to take them back, would you think that was right?

Freedom of choice demands that individuals take responsibility for their own choices.
The 'she was only 15' argument doesn't wash with me. There is arguably 1yr or 1minute between 'I want to be a soldier' or not. She seems to think soldiers make their choice & are fair targets. She has made hers & is likewise in my opinion.

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[Astute]

So what would you do with them then? Do you not think that we should take responsibility for our own citizens and make them face the law?

If other countries’ citizens were committing horrendous crimes in Britain and their country of citizenship/origin was refusing to take them back, would you think that was right?

If someone committed a crime in the UK it is usual to sentence them in the UK.

So are we to try and sentence people who have done nothing wrong that we can prove in the UK?

With human rights on their side many would be found not guilty or get short sentences then be released onto the street. How are we supposed to keep an eye on them all?

 

[martcov]

If someone committed a crime in the UK it is usual to sentence them in the UK.

So are we to try and sentence people who have done nothing wrong that we can prove in the UK?

With human rights on their side many would be found not guilty or get short sentences then be released onto the street. How are we supposed to keep an eye on them all?

Human rights are supposed to be guaranteed by our government. Whether or not you personally like humans having rights. ISIS don’t accept human rights, they go by crap written in an old book. Do you want our government to ignore human rights when it suits as well? Constant talk of democracy here when it involves crashing the country, but when the country is put to the test, it turns to strip a British citizen of citizenship and sod human rights. Whatever our law is, or whatever we have signed up to, we should abide by it
In her case.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So the minimum hundreds that left the UK to join ISIS should all be let back in? Because Corbyn would be for it.

Would the UK still be safe?

Think the figures I saw were about 350 have already come back with another 350 not accounted for

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Freedom of choice demands that individuals take responsibility for their own choices.
The 'she was only 15' argument doesn't wash with me. There is arguably 1yr or 1minute between 'I want to be a soldier' or not. She seems to think soldiers make their choice & are fair targets. She has made hers & is likewise in my opinion.

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We believe in the rule of evidence facts and law

 

[shmmeee]

Freedom of choice demands that individuals take responsibility for their own choices.
The 'she was only 15' argument doesn't wash with me. There is arguably 1yr or 1minute between 'I want to be a soldier' or not. She seems to think soldiers make their choice & are fair targets. She has made hers & is likewise in my opinion.

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Should men who have sex with 15 year olds go to prison?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Should men who have sex with 15 year olds go to prison?

I think the answer being implied is that if the perpetrator believes the 15 year old has consented then there is no crime. It’s just disastrous it really is

 

[SkyblueBazza]

We believe in the rule of evidence facts and law

We do. The evidence she went to support IS is there, she has stated that soldiers are fair game on camera. Sadly the law might yet turn out to be the weak link.

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[martcov]

We do. The evidence she went to support IS is there, she has stated that soldiers are fair game on camera. Sadly the law might yet turn out to be the weak link.

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The due process of law is the strength not the weak link. Decisions based on newspaper hype or statements from tossers like Farage is not the way the UK law is carried out ( or shouldn’t be ).

 

[Astute]

Should men who have sex with 15 year olds go to prison?

Some 15 year olds look and act more mature than some 25 year olds. You can't say yes or no without knowing any details. That is why there are different rules for those 13 or under.

Then you have this 15 year old. Just had her 3rd child. She is an adult. But what disturbs me is the lack of remorse. Can someone who knows about terrorism become a person to be trusted? I would prefer to know my fellow Brits are safe. All those who went out there can stay out there. And I don't care who disagrees. They went to rape and murder. They are not civilised people.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How much further can he be away from what the people of the UK really want? Does he ever think before he speaks?

He's actually very close. Not as though you'll ever vote for it. The centrists got us down to about 200 MPs and lost Scotland for good, by repeatedly going into Tory-lite mode. The last finding is quite damning-people perceive the Tories to be competent but hate their policies. Think that the media has no role on this, Astute? Will you ever vote for policies you clearly prefer?

Eurotrack: Corbyn’s policies popular in Europe and UK | YouGov

Corbyn’s policies really are popular with centrist voters. But he still isn’t | Chris Curtis

People Like Jeremy Corbyn's Policies When They Don't Realise They're Labour's, Poll Suggests

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The due process of law is the strength not the weak link. Decisions based on newspaper hype or statements from tossers like Farage is not the way the UK law is carried out ( or shouldn’t be ).

The law also allowed a fugitive to continue his appeals from his place of hiding.