We cannot defend set pieces (1 Viewer)

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Grendel

Grendel

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Moff said:
Cant remember that at all G, I couldn't' even remember him scoring for us...who was it against?
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It was against us for Norwich
 
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long way home

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I think FL felt let down last night by some he had given a chance too. Which is why he was sharp towards the questions post game. We got bullied until we made changes against a team who do all the pulling, pushing and falling over well. FL would of known this explained it yet we fell short. Defending can be a mindset but it needs to be matched with physicality. We just didn't have it and the only way they score is through set plays.

FL now knows he needs the extra CB and a signing that would help. But you can coach all you want if you don't win those battles or stop runners concededing goals will happen. Other teams will see this data and exploit it if FL cant get it right.

But Mentally, desire and concentration has to be better. The last 7 goals conceded in league or cup games have come from the same source, that has to stop.
 
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Speedie's Head

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long way home said:
We got bullied until we made changes against a team who do all the pulling, pushing and falling over well.
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Dead right. A little push before jumping here, a shirt tug there, just relentlessly.

The first corner came from a clear handball, the stadium went up for it but not the ref nor the Lino, who was right next to it and looking the right way. It's been cut from the highlights reel unfortunately so I've not seen it back.
 
Briles

Briles

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
The reasoning behind cramming your own box is that it restricts space for the opposition and should make it easier to defend.

I’ve never agreed with this. A crowded box eliminates the goalkeeper’s ability to do anything other than stay on his line, while the defending players have to concentrate on a higher number of attacking ones, leading to a higher chance that someone will lose his marker or that players will get mixed up. Then, if you do win the ball in and clear it, you have nobody to contest the clearance so it’ll come straight back in to that same crowded box that’s if anything more disordered. We conceded a fair number in that manner last season and the season before.

I would suggest leaving 3 men up, one on either flank and the other in the centre, to force the opposition to bring players back. This then effectively removes 6 players from the box, and brings the keeper back into play as someone who can also help defend the area. You simplify the task for your own defending players as there are fewer attackers to worry about and people’s roles are themselves less complicated (no defending subsection 2B of the 6 yard box). Moreover you’re left with 8 players in the box defending against just 6, as opposed to 11 against 9. The net balance hasn’t changed.
If you get the ball clear you then also have a fair chance of setting up a counter or at least preventing the ball coming right in.

Better for both defending the set piece and hitting on the counter, I rest my case.
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The good thing about crowding the box as a defending team though, is that you are usually almost guaranteed a freekick.

Unless its Cov who are defending
 
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Hincha

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Miss the days when we had Lawrence - never felt the opposition were going to score a corner

Last night I turned to my mate and said "they'll score here" just before the second. Was predictable after we'd had sustained pressure

The good news is that it is an area that you can sort out fairly quickly. It would be more worrying if all 6 were in open play
 
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Cally Fedora

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We concede some awful set piece goals. I don’t understand why there is a pre-occupation with turning corners in particular into wrestling matches. Just jump with the player you are marking rather than trying to stop them jumping. Last night was a prime example. Torp tries to hold their scorer who has a free header once he’s escaped his clutches. Stay goal side and jump. Simple.
 
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PVA

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Lamps said:
Mock stupid posts?

An average GK would have saved the only 2 shots on target. They would then have not scored 2 goals from set play.

The first one against Derby was a fluke. Free kick that's normally very difficult to score from directly is put in the net by a 30 year old scoring only his 4th goal in professional football. It went into the far top corner. Next 1 a penalty.

I know some people just love having a moan, but here we are in what's starting to look like our most exciting season ahead since the last century and here we go again with false facts. Nearly all our defenders attack. We're not trying to do a Burnley. We're trying to do a Leeds.
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How on earth can you say last night's goals should have been saved and then say that the Derby free kick was unsaveable 😂

It wasn't in the 'far top corner' it went down the middle and right through Rushworth's hands.
 
Captain Dart

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Brighton Sky Blue

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covboy9 said:
Wilson big weakness is line hugging on corners, he was very slow of his line another time

Rishworth needs to command his box but he doesn’t look like he does
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When you deliberately cram the box at corners, the keeper can’t do much than stay on his line. Another reason why we shouldn’t do it, but Bidwell seems to suggest that the problem isn’t the strategy, it’s players not learning which subsection of penalty area is their responsibility.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
When you deliberately cram the box at corners, the keeper can’t do much than stay on his line. Another reason why we shouldn’t do it, but Bidwell seems to suggest that the problem isn’t the strategy, it’s players not learning which subsection of penalty area is their responsibility.
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Surely a big part of that strategy is players knowing which part of the penalty area is their responsibility. In fact I'd say is was the biggest part of it. So if they don't know that then the strategy is completely wrong.

I wonder who's in charge of set piece coaching....
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Surely a big part of that strategy is players knowing which part of the penalty area is their responsibility. In fact I'd say is was the biggest part of it. So if they don't know that then the strategy is completely wrong.

I wonder who's in charge of set piece coaching....
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It’s adding extra complexity to defending a set piece. Robins also used to blame our set piece problems on players not following instructions, when you’re asking 10 outfield players to learn who’s in charge of what area of the box when there’s 8 or 9 opponents also jostling around with them in it.

Make the task simpler and allow your keeper some air at the same time.
 
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CovRes

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chiefdave said:
Are we getting to a point where you have to ask questions of the coaching?

Surely our players are of a standard where its reasonable to expect them to be able to defend set pieces so what is going so wrong?
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I don't think we're a particularly tall side, which will affect us at set pieces.
 
SeaSeeEffCee

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The defence simply isn’t good enough. I don’t really rate either of Kitching or Thomas to be honest. Both capable of having great individual games at this level but both make so many brainless mistakes. Both free kicks today completely unnecessary. We need to get a new centre back in urgently before the end of the window.
 
The Philosopher

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chiefdave said:
Are we getting to a point where you have to ask questions of the coaching?

Surely our players are of a standard where its reasonable to expect them to be able to defend set pieces so what is going so wrong?
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Definitely.

The coaches need to be working with Rushworth, who clearly is struggling with set piece set-up.

Moreover, how long before opposition teams identify that we can’t defend set pieces and gameplan around that?
 
The Philosopher

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SeaSeeEffCee said:
The defence simply isn’t good enough. I don’t really rate either of Kitching or Thomas to be honest. Both capable of having great individual games at this level but both make so many brainless mistakes. Both free kicks today completely unnecessary. We need to get a new centre back in urgently before the end of the window.
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Is Dom Hyam worth a sneaky bid at?

At least we’d have an ITK back in the forum (ducks for cover, laughing)
 
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