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skyblue_55

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This can’t continue, if we are to mount a serious promotion challenge .
Who the hell is setting the players up for defending, or are we just coaching forward play ?
 
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ptr

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We only have two players capable of attacking them and winning them.Thomas and Kitching. Only one of them was on the pitch today at any given time. It showed.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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The reasoning behind cramming your own box is that it restricts space for the opposition and should make it easier to defend.

I’ve never agreed with this. A crowded box eliminates the goalkeeper’s ability to do anything other than stay on his line, while the defending players have to concentrate on a higher number of attacking ones, leading to a higher chance that someone will lose his marker or that players will get mixed up. Then, if you do win the ball in and clear it, you have nobody to contest the clearance so it’ll come straight back in to that same crowded box that’s if anything more disordered. We conceded a fair number in that manner last season and the season before.

I would suggest leaving 3 men up, one on either flank and the other in the centre, to force the opposition to bring players back. This then effectively removes 6 players from the box, and brings the keeper back into play as someone who can also help defend the area. You simplify the task for your own defending players as there are fewer attackers to worry about and people’s roles are themselves less complicated (no defending subsection 2B of the 6 yard box). Moreover you’re left with 8 players in the box defending against just 6, as opposed to 11 against 9. The net balance hasn’t changed.
If you get the ball clear you then also have a fair chance of setting up a counter or at least preventing the ball coming right in.

Better for both defending the set piece and hitting on the counter, I rest my case.
 
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ovduk78

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
The reasoning behind cramming your own box is that it restricts space for the opposition and should make it easier to defend.

I’ve never agreed with this. A crowded box eliminates the goalkeeper’s ability to do anything other than stay on his line, while the defending players have to concentrate on a higher number of attacking ones, leading to a higher chance that someone will lose his marker or that players will get mixed up. Then, if you do win the ball in and clear it, you have nobody to contest the clearance so it’ll come straight back in to that same crowded box that’s if anything more disordered. We conceded a fair number in that manner last season and the season before.

I would suggest leaving 3 men up, one on either flank and the other in the centre, to force the opposition to bring players back. This then effectively removes 6 players from the box, and brings the keeper back into play as someone who can also help defend the area. You simplify the task for your own defending players as there are fewer attackers to worry about and people’s roles are themselves less complicated (no defending subsection 2B of the 6 yard box). Moreover you’re left with 8 players in the box defending against just 6, as opposed to 11 against 9. The net balance hasn’t changed.
If you get the ball clear you then also have a fair chance of setting up a counter or at least preventing the ball coming right in.

Better for both defending the set piece and hitting on the counter, I rest my case.
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It won't happen until Pep starts doing it 😉
I do agree that we should not bring everybody back to create more space. We should also not cram the penalty area when we have a corner, every time the referee has a word before the corner is taken any decision seems to be given to the defending team.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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ovduk78 said:
It won't happen until Pep starts doing it 😉
I do agree that we should not bring everybody back to create more space. We should also not cram the penalty area when we have a corner, every time the referee has a word before the corner is taken any decision seems to be given to the defending team.
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Watching Leeds against Arsenal, they managed to cram 8 of their own players into their 6 yard box, and still conceded from a shot in the 6 yard box anyway. It’s pure insanity and you’re right, Pep probably started the trend and everyone has to mindlessly copy it.
 
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Lamps

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Tommo1993 said:
Millwall have a lovely blueprint on how they’ll beat us in October.
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Get us to play Wilson in goal?

Here we go again. Wilson nearly got hit by 2 shots and let them both in. He did really well to keep out of the way of one of them. They only had 2 shots on target. This isn't shit defending. It's difficult not to give shots on target away.
 
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Tommo1993

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Lamps said:
Get us to play Wilson in goal?

Here we go again. Wilson nearly got hit by 2 shots and let them both in. He did really well to keep out of the way of one of them. They only had 2 shots on target. This isn't shit defending. It's difficult not to give shots on target away.
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Absolutely bollocks at defending set pieces. My purpose on here is almost entirely satirical and to mock stupid posts. Cba for twisted knickers.
 
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steve101

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Second goal was more about organisation, maybe affected by the changes. Torp was (trying to) mark Grant. Totally lost him, enabling a free header at close range. Wilson, unfortunately is not a keeper who will come out to rescue the situation.
The first goal was probably rustiness on both Andrews and KKH's part. A bit more sharpness/awareness and Andrews would have cleared or KKH would have reacted quicker. Again for me though, Wilson should have saved it.
 
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Lamps

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Tommo1993 said:
Absolutely bollocks at defending set pieces. My purpose on here is almost entirely satirical and to mock stupid posts. Cba for twisted knickers.
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Mock stupid posts?

An average GK would have saved the only 2 shots on target. They would then have not scored 2 goals from set play.

The first one against Derby was a fluke. Free kick that's normally very difficult to score from directly is put in the net by a 30 year old scoring only his 4th goal in professional football. It went into the far top corner. Next 1 a penalty.

I know some people just love having a moan, but here we are in what's starting to look like our most exciting season ahead since the last century and here we go again with false facts. Nearly all our defenders attack. We're not trying to do a Burnley. We're trying to do a Leeds.
 
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shmmeee

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clint van damme said:
Do we need a specialist set piece coach?
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We need a defensive coach. Especially if we’re sticking with a back line with all the football intelligence of my missus.
 
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Tommo1993

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Mock stupid posts?

An average GK would have saved the only 2 shots on target. They would then have not scored 2 goals from set play.

The first one against Derby was a fluke. Free kick that's normally very difficult to score from directly is put in the net by a 30 year old scoring only his 4th goal in professional football. It went into the far top corner. Next 1 a penalty.

I know some people just love having a moan, but here we are in what's starting to look like our most exciting season ahead since the last century and here we go again with false facts. Nearly all our defenders attack. We're not trying to do a Burnley. We're trying to do a Leeds.
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Right. So what isn’t stupid about the original post? Also, I’ve not got that goal down as a fluke. If Torp hit that you wouldn’t have said it was a fluke. It was a very good shot.
 
rob9872

rob9872

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Lamps said:
Mock stupid posts?

An average GK would have saved the only 2 shots on target. They would then have not scored 2 goals from set play.

The first one against Derby was a fluke. Free kick that's normally very difficult to score from directly is put in the net by a 30 year old scoring only his 4th goal in professional football. It went into the far top corner. Next 1 a penalty.

I know some people just love having a moan, but here we are in what's starting to look like our most exciting season ahead since the last century and here we go again with false facts. Nearly all our defenders attack. We're not trying to do a Burnley. We're trying to do a Leeds.
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Would you expect your striker to score a penalty? I'll assume yes as I do. 4 in 5 is the expected rate. That's from 12 yards.

The first goal was powerful and tight in the corner low, from 8 yards, but you want to blame the keeper? We all have favourites and it's ok to think Rushworth should be the no1 without having to find reasons that really arent there.

The second was the far end and looked to me like Grant got up well (he was dominant against our line in both boxes) but not seen it back tbf so ill reserve judgement on that one.
 
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Lamps

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Tommo1993 said:
Right. So what isn’t stupid about the original post? Also, I’ve not got that goal down as a fluke. If Torp hit that you wouldn’t have said it was a fluke. It was a very good shot.
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So a player that had only scored 3 goals in professional football at the age of 30 meant to hit a shot like that?
 
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Lamps

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rob9872 said:
Would you expect your striker to score a penalty? I'll assume yes as I do. 4 in 5 is the expected rate. That's from 12 yards.

The first goal was powerful and tight in the corner low, from 8 yards, but you want to blame the keeper? We all have favourites and it's ok to think Rushworth should be the no1 without having to find reasons that really arent there.

The second was the far end and looked to me like Grant got up well (he was dominant against our line in both boxes) but not seen it back tbf so ill reserve judgement on that one.
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So now I want to blame Rushworth? 🤔
 
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Tommo1993

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Lamps said:
So a player that had only scored 3 goals in professional football at the age of 30 meant to hit a shot like that?
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A professional footballer should be capable of hitting enough of those on a training pitch. If the ball is dead it’s not much difference to pulling it off in a game. It’s really not as far fetched as you like to think.
 
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Lamps

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Tommo1993 said:
A professional footballer should be capable of hitting enough of those on a training pitch. If the ball is dead it’s not much difference to pulling it off in a game. It’s really not as far fetched as you like to think.
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This one obviously wasn't capable of doing it very often.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Lamps said:
So a player that had only scored 3 goals in professional football at the age of 30 meant to hit a shot like that?
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Greg Downs once scored a 30 yard volley straight in the corner
 
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Tommo1993

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Lamps said:
This one obviously wasn't capable of doing it very often.
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How many games did Richard Shaw play? His single goal in all that was a decent finish. I’ve no doubt Rushworth was rebuked for this and QPR’s goal. He certainly didn’t anticipate the shot at Derby which was poor. But it also wasn’t a fluke - it’s a piss weak idea.
 
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