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USSR invades Ukraine. (17 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
  • Start date Feb 22, 2022
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #4,516
Grendel said:
“In terms of military intervention” I stand by that don’t you?
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We have committed the second most in military aid to Ukraine?
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #4,517
shmmeee said:
The spreadsheeter has become the spreadsheetee!
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Well done but hardly a gotcha moment

Again we are not and we should not get involved ever militarily in Ukraine it’s not a threat to us what happens there
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #4,518
Grendel said:
Well done but hardly a gotcha moment

Again we are not and we should not get involved ever militarily in Ukraine it’s not a threat to us what happens there
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Yes global food security has no potential impact on us.
 
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SBT

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #4,519
Grendel said:
“In terms of military intervention” I stand by that don’t you?
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Lol don’t try to pretend you were just talking about military intervention, you were specifically referring to sanctions as well!
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #4,520
Grendel said:
No attempt at mitigation from the us and NATO to get a practical solution and a settlement
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Which would be what? Giving Russia part of Ukraine? Yeah, that'd go down well and pretty much say NATO is spineless. Imagine what the Kremlin would make of that with the Russian population. Not to mention how it would look to the Chinese.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #4,521
SBT said:
Lol don’t try to pretend you were just talking about military intervention, you were specifically referring to sanctions as well!
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Ah yes they are going well - petrol prices what a hoot
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #4,522
Grendel said:
Ah yes they are going well - petrol prices what a hoot
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Well again if we had ‘let them get on with it’ where would we be now?
 
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SBT

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #4,523
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well again if we had ‘let them get on with it’ where would we be now?
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Well yeah but petrol might be cheaper so it’s six of one, half a dozen etc etc
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #4,524
Petrol prices were of course rising very sharply before any sanctions were put in place or even before the war started.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #4,525
PVA said:
Petrol prices were of course rising very sharply before any sanctions were put in place or even before the war started.
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It’s gone up by almost 50 pence a litre since the war started but of course that’s a complete co incidence
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #4,526
Grendel said:
It’s gone up by almost 50 pence a litre since the war started but of course that’s a complete co incidence
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But how much of that was because of sanctions, which was your point, and how much of it was because of the war itself?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #4,527
Grendel said:
It’s gone up by almost 50 pence a litre since the war started but of course that’s a complete co incidence
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The pound crashing over the same period is at least as equal to blame. Crude oil like most commodities in the world are traded in dollars and at some point that’s converted into pounds and that’s driving the price of everything up.
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 3, 2022
  • #4,528
Two and a half months since the start of the Battle of Donbas when Russia were supposedly about to steamroller Ukraine (again)... They've made little progress.



 
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PVA

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  • Jul 3, 2022
  • #4,529
Also the weapons being sent by the west are being put to good use

 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Jul 4, 2022
  • #4,530
This is interesting...... Obviously the likes of China & India etc. are continuing to do very nice business with Russia but whne you see the amount of companies from USA, France, Germany & Italy, for example, it certainly raises questions over how truly commited to the Ukranian cause some of these countries actually are....

Over 1,000 Companies Have Curtailed Operations in Russia—But Some Remain

som.yale.edu
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Jul 4, 2022
  • #4,531
I personaly think this war will be prolonged & exploited by "allies" of both sides for many years to come.......
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 4, 2022
  • #4,532
PVA said:
Two and a half months since the start of the Battle of Donbas when Russia were supposedly about to steamroller Ukraine (again)... They've made little progress.



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They might well now, now they can focus on it...
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 4, 2022
  • #4,533
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I personaly think this war will be prolonged & exploited by "allies" of both sides for many years to come.......
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Maintaining and propping up the Ukrainians to keep a war there for several years is the dream ticket for the West
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 4, 2022
  • #4,534
Grendel said:
Maintaining and propping up the Ukrainians to keep a war there for several years is the dream ticket for the West
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Won’t that affect petrol and food prices or is that what you mean? It excuses anything bad happening
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 4, 2022
  • #4,535
Sky Blue Pete said:
Won’t that affect petrol and food prices or is that what you mean? It excuses anything bad happening
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It occupies Russia and drains their resources and will take all their focus. The eu and other countries continue to pump billions into Russia while showing a concerned face
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 4, 2022
  • #4,536
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
This is interesting...... Obviously the likes of China & India etc. are continuing to do very nice business with Russia but whne you see the amount of companies from USA, France, Germany & Italy, for example, it certainly raises questions over how truly commited to the Ukranian cause some of these countries actually are....

Over 1,000 Companies Have Curtailed Operations in Russia—But Some Remain

som.yale.edu
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Well the USA uses all wars to increase american company market share and what's happened with LNG?
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jul 4, 2022
  • #4,537
Deleted member 5849 said:
They might well now, now they can focus on it...
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They've been able to focus on it for months now. The rest of that thread outlines clearly why it is getting worse for the Russian military.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 4, 2022
  • #4,538
Grendel said:
Maintaining and propping up the Ukrainians to keep a war there for several years is the dream ticket for the West
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Not unless they can find a way to get inflation down pretty quickly, which will be tricky whilst the wars continuing with oil, gas and some food (wheat etc) prices likely to remain high.

If they don’t they’ll all be out of office by the time the wars over. US inflation is a bit different but Europe will be pretty fucked if the war continues longer term unless alternatives/alternative providers to those items can be found quick
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 4, 2022
  • #4,539
CCFCSteve said:
Not unless they can find a way to get inflation down pretty quickly, which will be tricky whilst the wars continuing with oil, gas and some food (wheat etc) prices likely to remain high.

If they don’t they’ll all be out of office by the time the wars over. US inflation is a bit different but Europe will be pretty fucked if the war continues longer term unless alternatives/alternative providers to those items can be found quick
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Fuel is a factor from the war but inflation is a combination of many factors - and Europe is a motley crew of coalitions that are hooked on Russian gas - the US will see huge benefits here from prolonging the war without actual involvement
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 4, 2022
  • #4,540
Deleted member 5849 said:
They might well now, now they can focus on it...
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They have been focused it for months!

Plus Ukraine are now targeting Russian supply and ammo hubs behind the lines with the missiles and artillery supplied by the west, hopefully this can have a big effect.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 4, 2022
  • #4,541
Grendel said:
Fuel is a factor from the war but inflation is a combination of many factors - and Europe is a motley crew of coalitions that are hooked on Russian gas - the US will see huge benefits here from prolonging the war without actual involvement
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Agree that US will benefit (LNG) from a prolonged war, especially as they’re shielded from some of the ‘war inflation’ but the West generally won’t
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jul 4, 2022
  • #4,542
Grendel said:
Maintaining and propping up the Ukrainians to keep a war there for several years is the dream ticket for the West
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Particularly the yanks.
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Jul 6, 2022
  • #4,543
Grendel said:
It occupies Russia and drains their resources and will take all their focus. The eu and other countries continue to pump billions into Russia while showing a concerned face
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Ain’t life great…Ukraine is a mere pawn in the wonderful world of Geopolitics and control.
 

fatso

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  • Jul 6, 2022
  • #4,544
Flying Fokker said:
Ain’t life great…Ukraine is a mere pawn in the wonderful world of Geopolitics and control.
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It always has been.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 6, 2022
  • #4,545
Russian Security Council Secretary and Putin confidante saying full scale regime change is still the aim.
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 7, 2022
  • #4,546
Russia have taken an 'operational pause' in the fighting.

Nothing to do with all the attacks on their ammo/supply depots I'm sure.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jul 8, 2022
  • #4,547
shmmeee said:
Russian Security Council Secretary and Putin confidante saying full scale regime change is still the aim.
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Perhaps they might try and take the whole country after Donbas. Shock, horror !
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 8, 2022
  • #4,548
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Perhaps they might try and take the whole country after Donbas. Shock, horror !
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Well they can try I suppose. They won't be able to though.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jul 8, 2022
  • #4,549
shmmeee said:
Russian Security Council Secretary and Putin confidante saying full scale regime change is still the aim.
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In Russia ?
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jul 8, 2022
  • #4,550
PVA said:
Well they can try I suppose. They won't be able to though.
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No, but they can destroy the vast majority of it.
 
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