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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #106
GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
You make some good points but there is no way that someone at 30 is all of a sudden going to develop a good touch. He's been playing professionally for years and it is still horrific. He could play until he's 48 and that isn't going to improve
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I'd suggest less bad, than good!
 

cc84cov

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #107
If we get walker & Godden fit soon we have a chance if we don’t we will be in trouble same as pre season Godden is key to survival this season he’s not the messiah but he’s the best natural striker at the club,walker will play a lot better next to Godden,max is like a defender playing up front
 

cc84cov

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #108
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
His touch is wildly inconsistent and his link up play is average at best.
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He takes balls into feet well laying it off all his stuff on you tube is working off service the game where DaCosta put in about 15 crosses was suited to walker that’s his game
 

hill83

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #109
skyblueeyesrevisited said:
Hmmm it wouldn’t have been an own goal if the defender hadn’t got there first.
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So are you saying he definitely wouldn’t have shanked it out for a throw?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #110
Sick Boy said:
The criticism of him is all part of diverting it away from a certain other forward.
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To be honest, I think it goes the other way too.

I have no horse in this race, and want to see both do well. I also don't think anyone is doubting that Walker isn't the better of the two players, it is just more about what he is giving at the moment. Our backs are up against the wall, and whilst Max makes the wrong decisions over and over again, you can at least see that he is giving his all. Unfortunately, when you lack quality, everyone needs to dig in. It works the same right down to Sunday league level.

Walker is a good finisher, you can tell that. That is all he has though, and it isn't enough. You could see the reaction yesterday when we scored. Some people were really desperate to try and not give the goal to Max, where in the game before, Walker won a header and those same people were acting as if it was Ballon d'Or worthy.

We cannot carry anyone when we are in a dog fight and at the moment Walker needs to contribute more. It's all well and good saying that he needs better service (to which I agree to an extent), but he also has to make the most out of what he is getting, and he isn't. One time yesterday that stood out especially was when he was yomping around in an offside position and the ball game flying through to him. He has to do better, which hopefully is more to do with lack of sharpness.

Whilst I agree that there is an element of people blowing up Biamou's arse, there is also a contingent excusing Walker for underperforming due to being unable to say anything positive about Biamou. In reality, they both haven't been good enough. One due to ability I think, the other due to performance.
 
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hill83

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #111
hinckley cov said:
Walkers gets pushed off the ball far to easily for me, he’s got no fight in him when we really need it, another example to me of a player who got into the game because his dad was a good player.
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I’ve seen a lot on nonsense on here including from myself but this tops the lot.
 
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Nick

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #112
hill83 said:
I’ve seen a lot on nonsense on here including from myself but this tops the lot.
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I heard you only played Right Back in Sunday league because you have relatives who were good players though to be fair.
 
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hill83

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #113
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
To be honest, I think it goes the other way too.

I have no horse in this race, and want to see both do well. I also don't think anyone is doubting that Walker isn't the better of the two players, it is just more about what he is giving at the moment. Our backs are up against the wall, and whilst Max makes the wrong decisions over and over again, you can at least see that he is giving his all. Unfortunately, when you lack quality, everyone needs to dig in. It works the same right down to Sunday league level.

Walker is a good finisher, you can tell that. That is all he has though, and it isn't enough. You could see the reaction yesterday when we scored. Some people were really desperate to try and not give the goal to Max, where in the game before, Walker won a header and those same people were acting as if it was Ballon d'Or worthy.

We cannot carry anyone when we are in a dog fight and at the moment Walker needs to contribute more. It's all well and good saying that he needs better service (to which I agree to an extent), but he also has to make the most out of what he is getting, and he isn't. One time yesterday that stood out especially was when he was yomping around in an offside position and the ball game flying through to him. He has to do better, which hopefully is more to do with lack of sharpness.

Whilst I agree that there is an element of people blowing up Biamou's arse, there is also a contingent excusing Walker for underperforming due to being unable to say anything positive about Biamou. In reality, they both haven't been good enough. One due to ability I think, the other due to performance.
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Agree with this. I fall for it myself, when I’m constantly seeing players slated by the same people either way I feel the need to purposely find positives to counter them. Others work the opposite way when smoke is being blown up a players arse 24/7.

The reality is we are feeding on scraps. I don’t even rate Matty ‘Isolated sick note’ Godden to be honest.

I do want them all to do well though of course, I’m not that invested in my opinion of players. No names mentioned.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #114
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
To be honest, I think it goes the other way too.

I have no horse in this race, and want to see both do well. I also don't think anyone is doubting that Walker isn't the better of the two players, it is just more about what he is giving at the moment. Our backs are up against the wall, and whilst Max makes the wrong decisions over and over again, you can at least see that he is giving his all. Unfortunately, when you lack quality, everyone needs to dig in. It works the same right down to Sunday league level.

Walker is a good finisher, you can tell that. That is all he has though, and it isn't enough. You could see the reaction yesterday when we scored. Some people were really desperate to try and not give the goal to Max, where in the game before, Walker won a header and those same people were acting as if it was Ballon d'Or worthy.

We cannot carry anyone when we are in a dog fight and at the moment Walker needs to contribute more. It's all well and good saying that he needs better service (to which I agree to an extent), but he also has to make the most out of what he is getting, and he isn't. One time yesterday that stood out especially was when he was yomping around in an offside position and the ball game flying through to him. He has to do better, which hopefully is more to do with lack of sharpness.

Whilst I agree that there is an element of people blowing up Biamou's arse, there is also a contingent excusing Walker for underperforming due to being unable to say anything positive about Biamou. In reality, they both haven't been good enough. One due to ability I think, the other due to performance.
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“Desperate not to give the goal to Max”

He didn’t touch the fucking ball!
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #115
They all have failings that’s why they are here.

Godden lacks pace
 

hill83

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #116
shmmeee said:
“Desperate not to give the goal to Max”

He didn’t touch the fucking ball!
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More to do with people initially thought it was his goal though.
 
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hill83

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #117
All we need now is the “Well they are all professional footballers so they are better than you” and we’ve completed the thread.
 
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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #118
I thought Biamou had scored and you get no replays on sky when it came through as Dick Steel I thought it was Max’s porno name.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #119
cc84cov said:
He takes balls into feet well laying it off all his stuff on you tube is working off service the game where DaCosta put in about 15 crosses was suited to walker that’s his game
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I don't need to look on YouTube as I watch every game. He has spells where he executes his role admirably, but I fail to see how you could qualify either his touch or ability to bring others into play as 'good' when he's just not consistent enough at either
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #120
skyblueeyesrevisited said:
Hmmm it wouldn’t have been an own goal if the defender hadn’t got there first.
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Ha, what I really meant was that he never anticipates where the ball might land, that instinct to gamble isn't there. Fortunately their defender bundled it in anyway.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #121
hill83 said:
Agree with this. I fall for it myself, when I’m constantly seeing players slated by the same people either way I feel the need to purposely find positives to counter them. Others work the opposite way when smoke is being blown up a players arse 24/7.

The reality is we are feeding on scraps. I don’t even rate Matty ‘Isolated sick note’ Godden to be honest.

I do want them all to do well though of course, I’m not that invested in my opinion of players. No names mentioned.
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Yeah I do the same, it's probably just to try and bring a bit of balance to it when people are trying too hard to go over the top.

Same with Bakayoko and Sheaf sometimes. Somebody like Rolls Royce Hyam could overhit a pass in the same half as Sheaf and it's his fault.

Bakayoko got abuse before he had kicked a ball and people just stuck with it, yeah he isn't the best footballer in the world but some of the shit he gets is shocking.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #122
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
I don't need to look on YouTube as I watch every game. He has spells where he executes his role admirably, but I fail to see how you could qualify either his touch or ability to bring others into play as 'good' when he's just not consistent enough at either
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I think he's talking Walker rather than Biamou
 
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cc84cov

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #123
Deleted member 5849 said:
I think he's talking Walker rather than Biamou
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Yes walker I’m on about
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #124
cc84cov said:
Yes walker I’m on about
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Ah my mistake.
 

cc84cov

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #125
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Ah my mistake.
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Yea sorry I might not of been clear who I meant I like max but he’s like a centre back playing up front is hard to watch,maybe we go back to the box but with the state of pitches I think these long balls will continue
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #126
Max’s first touch is so poor it often goes right away from him and turns into a pass. I love the guy for what he’s done in his city career but it’s become so clear that he’s nowhere near the level required to be a starter and play 90 minutes in the championship. I could take him coming on for 10-15 because he will bust a gut against tired defenders but he just doesn’t have the quality from the start.

Even in Walker’s poor second half when he dropped deep he controlled the ball easily, spread it to a midfielder and peeled off to make the forward run. Proper CF play. When Max does it his first touch balloons it anywhere, the defender gets in and then they have to fight for the ball. To some fans this fighting for the ball means he’s putting the effort it when in reality a decent striker wouldn’t have put himself in that position to start with.
 
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cc84cov

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #127
Liquid Gold said:
Max’s first touch is so poor it often goes right away from him and turns into a pass. I love the guy for what he’s done in his city career but it’s become so clear that he’s nowhere near the level required to be a starter and play 90 minutes in the championship. I could take him coming on for 10-15 because he will bust a gut against tired defenders but he just doesn’t have the quality from the start.

Even in Walker’s poor second half when he dropped deep he controlled the ball easily, spread it to a midfielder and peeled off to make the forward run. Proper CF play. When Max does it his first touch balloons it anywhere, the defender gets in and then they have to fight for the ball. To some fans this fighting for the ball means he’s putting the effort it when in reality a decent striker wouldn’t have put himself in that position to start with.
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Fully agree with this
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #128
shmmeee said:
“Desperate not to give the goal to Max”

He didn’t touch the fucking ball!
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Sure, but my point was that if it had been Walker we would be hearing how he 'forced the goal' or some such other phrase.

The reality is that we are lacking in quality, but my frustration is that if we get relegated I still think it will have been preventable. Maybe I am just utterly deluded, but so many games now I have looked at our points return and thought we could do better. A match finishes and we draw or lose, and I think we could have actually won it. We aren't being outclassed particularly. We are giving away stupid goals, failing to take our chances, and adopting poor tactics.

It reminds me of the season we got relegated from the Championship last time. Our team was shit, but we were competing. It worries me that we are not grinding out results really. It wouldn't take much to stay up, but we are slipping further and further away.
 
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stupot07

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #129
A really good point Earlsdon.

Walker "great work to force the defender into playing the ball into his own net, if he wasn't there we wouldn't of scored"

Biamou "he only scored the own goal because Biamou isn't good enough to get into front of it"



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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #130
stupot07 said:
A really good point Earlsdon.

Walker "great work to force the defender into playing the ball into his own net, if he wasn't there we wouldn't of scored"

Biamou "he only scored the own goal because Biamou isn't good enough to get into front of it"



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I've probably got a bit too involved getting defensive to be honest, but it just frustrates me every fucking game. I feel like we could be coming away with points and we aren't.

I'm really concerned and I think we only have ourselves to blame.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #131
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
To be honest, I think it goes the other way too.

I have no horse in this race, and want to see both do well. I also don't think anyone is doubting that Walker isn't the better of the two players, it is just more about what he is giving at the moment. Our backs are up against the wall, and whilst Max makes the wrong decisions over and over again, you can at least see that he is giving his all. Unfortunately, when you lack quality, everyone needs to dig in. It works the same right down to Sunday league level.

Walker is a good finisher, you can tell that. That is all he has though, and it isn't enough. You could see the reaction yesterday when we scored. Some people were really desperate to try and not give the goal to Max, where in the game before, Walker won a header and those same people were acting as if it was Ballon d'Or worthy.

We cannot carry anyone when we are in a dog fight and at the moment Walker needs to contribute more. It's all well and good saying that he needs better service (to which I agree to an extent), but he also has to make the most out of what he is getting, and he isn't. One time yesterday that stood out especially was when he was yomping around in an offside position and the ball game flying through to him. He has to do better, which hopefully is more to do with lack of sharpness.

Whilst I agree that there is an element of people blowing up Biamou's arse, there is also a contingent excusing Walker for underperforming due to being unable to say anything positive about Biamou. In reality, they both haven't been good enough. One due to ability I think, the other due to performance.
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I’ve repeatedly said that neither Godden or Walker should be first choice in this league, i said pre-season Godden was a decent back-up striker at this level.

Biamou and Baka should be nowhere near the squad and need to be released. The push back against Biamou is due to the pathetic nonsense that gets pushed out by the usual suspects, like the headed goals not counting, he won more free kicks etc etc.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #132
Sick Boy said:
I’ve repeatedly said that neither Godden or Walker should be first choice in this league, i said pre-season Godden was a decent back-up striker at this level.
Biamou and Godden should be nowhere near the squad and need to be released. The push back against Biamou is due to the pathetic nonsense that gets pushed out by the usual suspects, like the headed goals not counting, he won more free kicks etc etc.
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See, I think with Walker, give him a full season injury / illness free, and play to his strengths, and he's more than good enough to get us 15+ goals. I'm more than happy with him as first choice.

Harsh, releasing Godden, mind! At the worst get a fee for him!
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #133
Deleted member 5849 said:
See, I think with Walker, give him a full season injury / illness free, and play to his strengths, and he's more than good enough to get us 15+ goals. I'm more than happy with him as first choice.

Harsh, releasing Godden, mind! At the worst get a fee for him!
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I meant Bakayoko!
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #134
Sick Boy said:
I meant Bakayoko!
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Easy to confuse the two...
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #135
stupot07 said:
A really good point Earlsdon.

Walker "great work to force the defender into playing the ball into his own net, if he wasn't there we wouldn't of scored"

Biamou "he only scored the own goal because Biamou isn't good enough to get into front of it"



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I too like getting angry at scenarios I’ve imagined.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #136
For me Walker isn’t at full speed yet, he’s been out injured for ages, had COVID, not seen regular football since December 2019. Even then he’s scored and assisted for us.

Let him play himself into form without losing your shit every 5 minutes because he’s definitely better than our 4 other options.
 
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stevefloyd

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #137
Torquay Sky Blue said:
We know Max isn't very good but at least he shows and can hold the ball up. Walker is marked out of games far too easy at this level. He hid last night .
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Hold the ball up and promptly give it back to them !!
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #138
Sick Boy said:
I meant Bakayoko!
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Alright Clive
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #139
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Alright Clive
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You got me!
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Mar 3, 2021
  • #140
shmmeee said:
I too like getting angry at scenarios I’ve imagined.
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It's fucking mental isn't it?
 
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