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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (3 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,201
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Bill to block further delay to Brexit process

This is a great move by Boris, puts pressure on to negotiate the best deal possible after Jan! Years and years of extensions would play into the EU's favour!
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The opposite is actually true.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,202
PVA said:
No Deal is absolutely not off the table. In fact it's quite likely.

The Tory manifesto commits the UK to leaving without a deal if a trade deal with the EU isn't agreed by December 2020.

It took Canada 10 years to negotiate a trade deal with the EU.
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Oh he’ll get a deal. And he’ll do it the way he did with the WA: he’ll cave in to every demand the EU makes.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,203
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Bill to block further delay to Brexit process

This is a great move by Boris, puts pressure on to negotiate the best deal possible after Jan! Years and years of extensions would play into the EU's favour!
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Yes. When negotiating I always make sure to tell the other person I’m absolutely desperate and need literally anything to save my skin.

The old wounded animal sympathy approach to negotiations. Classic Dom
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,204
shmmeee said:
Oh he’ll get a deal. And he’ll do it the way he did with the WA: he’ll cave in to every demand the EU makes.
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Oh dear still spouting drivel I see
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,205
I see the markets aren’t big fans of Johnson’s “negotiating”

 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,206
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Bill to block further delay to Brexit process

This is a great move by Boris, puts pressure on to negotiate the best deal possible after Jan! Years and years of extensions would play into the EU's favour!
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Wow, you're actually clueless.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,207
shmmeee said:
I see the markets aren’t big fans of Johnson’s “negotiating”

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There were celebrations on here about the value of the £ increasing, now I guess a weaker currency is better again
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,208
shmmeee said:
I see the markets aren’t big fans of Johnson’s “negotiating”

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The latest figures on growth (or lack of it) were released today and the government is going to exceed it's borrowing targets as a result. Could be a reaction to that.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,209
Sick Boy said:
There were celebrations on here about the value of the £ increasing, now I guess a weaker currency is better again
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As usual though it’s rubbish - the actual level since October remains higher and of course it only went up in the first place as the markets breathed a huge sigh of relief that Labour were not elected
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,210
Grendel said:
As usual though it’s rubbish - the actual level since October remains higher and of course it only went up in the first place as the markets breathed a huge sigh of relief that Labour were not elected
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I must have missed you pointing that out to others in the aftermath of the election then!
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,211
Sick Boy said:
I must have missed you pointing that out to others in the aftermath of the election then!
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At the end of August sterling to dollar - it was down to 1.21 and now is 1.32 - the peak was 1.34 - Shmeee really needs better analytical skills
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,212
Grendel said:
At the end of August sterling to dollar - it was down to 1.21 and now is 1.32 - the peak was 1.34 - Shmeee really needs better analytical skills
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And now it’s right back down to pre election figures cause johnson is gonna arrange another cliff edge by saying we are out of he’ll jump in a ditch Dec 20
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,213
Sky Blue Pete said:
And now it’s right back down to pre election figures cause johnson is gonna arrange another cliff edge by saying we are out of he’ll jump in a ditch Dec 20
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Er it’s down 2 cents - the boost being because Commie Corbyn wasn’t getting elected
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,214
Oh and everyone who applauded Bercow and his principals perhaps they could comment on this dignified routine;

John Bercow mercilessly mocked after shouting 'order' catchphrase on Italian TV show | Daily Mail Online
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,215
Grendel said:
Oh and everyone who applauded Bercow and his principals perhaps they could comment on this dignified routine;
John Bercow mercilessly mocked after shouting 'order' catchphrase on Italian TV show | Daily Mail Online
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he’s a showman
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,216
Grendel said:
Oh and everyone who applauded Bercow and his principals perhaps they could comment on this dignified routine;

John Bercow mercilessly mocked after shouting 'order' catchphrase on Italian TV show | Daily Mail Online
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Finally been found out to be an irritating human being
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,217
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Finally been found out to be an irritating human being
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What, you never noticed that he was irritating before?

Bit slow on the uptake, aren't you.
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,218
Deleted member 5849 said:
What, you never noticed that he was irritating before?

Bit slow on the uptake, aren't you.
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The Bench opposite the conservatives didn't think so
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,219
Deleted member 5849 said:
What, you never noticed that he was irritating before?

Bit slow on the uptake, aren't you.
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Many on here were saying he’s standing up for parliament along with that slime ball Grieve as you well know. He allowed the Order Paper to be removed from the government for the first time in 500 years - he was crawling over procedure to justify the most undemocratic action we have witnessed in parliament

Everyone has got their just deserts - Johnson stuck to his guns, was not going to be bullied and intimidated and rightly cane through in the eyes of the public
 
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SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,220
Grendel said:
Many on here were saying he’s standing up for parliament along with that slime ball Grieve as you well know. He allowed the Order Paper to be removed from the government for the first time in 500 years - he was crawling over procedure to justify the most undemocratic action we have witnessed in parliament

Everyone has got their just deserts - Johnson stuck to his guns, was not going to be bullied and intimidated and rightly cane through in the eyes of the public
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Thank god Boris called the election! In the end it showed how the public really felt about the speakers actions trying to delay and stop brexit
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,221
Grendel said:
Many on here were saying he’s standing up for parliament along with that slime ball Grieve as you well know. He allowed the Order Paper to be removed from the government for the first time in 500 years - he was crawling over procedure to justify the most undemocratic action we have witnessed in parliament
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He did stand up for parliament. We currently haver a very dangerous Prime Minister, who is manipulating democracy in a disturbing way, where he chooses to represent immensely undemocratic acts as standing up for the people. Alas, it seems we don't learn from history in that respect.

Bercow standing up for parliament, however, doesn't stop him being irritating!
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,222
Deleted member 5849 said:
He did stand up for parliament. We currently haver a very dangerous Prime Minister, who is manipulating democracy in a disturbing way, where he chooses to represent immensely undemocratic acts as standing up for the people. Alas, it seems we don't learn from history in that respect.

Bercow standing up for parliament, however, doesn't stop him being irritating!
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What 'undemocratic act' are you hinting at?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,223
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Thank god Boris called the election! In the end it showed how the public really felt about the speakers actions trying to delay and stop brexit
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Just wait this is a long burning decision that will tKe some time before we can say well done to anyone at this stage
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,224
Johnson absolutely played Corbyn over the timing of the election which the fixed term act was supposed to mean couldn’t happen
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,225
Sky Blue Pete said:
Johnson absolutely played Corbyn over the timing of the election
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He did. I have no idea why they all agreed to it!

Well... tbf I can see why the SNP agreed to it. In all this it's been missed what a good job they've done, politically. They've played the system to create the conditions they want.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,226
Deleted member 5849 said:
He did stand up for parliament. We currently haver a very dangerous Prime Minister, who is manipulating democracy in a disturbing way, where he chooses to represent immensely undemocratic acts as standing up for the people. Alas, it seems we don't learn from history in that respect.

Bercow standing up for parliament, however, doesn't stop him being irritating!
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Bercow reversed 500 years of precedent to try and support a side of an argument he’s on

That’s usurping his authority

The opposition tried to put a gun to the government and force amendments which again is unheard of

You have a very odd view of democracy
 
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tisza

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  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,227
Deleted member 5849 said:
He did. I have no idea why they all agreed to it!

Well... tbf I can see why the SNP agreed to it. In all this it's been missed what a good job they've done, politically. They've played the system to create the conditions they want.
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think 2017 played into it when May misjudged things so badly. Parties maybe thought Tory support would fall again as voting day drew close. Obvious that labour didn't see collapse support in so many strongholds.
SNP thought they could capitalize on antipathy towards both major parties and Brexit election suited them as they'd struggle to fight a campaign on domestic issues the way they are struggling with the dissatisfaction amongst Scottish voters in key areas like Health & Education
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,228
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Bill to block further delay to Brexit process

This is a great move by Boris, puts pressure on to negotiate the best deal possible after Jan! Years and years of extensions would play into the EU's favour!
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It's meaningless and just for show. If it comes down to the wire he can repeal this just as quickly as he can introduce it. Playing to the gallery.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,229
I thought the WA was oven-ready and all the candidates had signed up to pass it. Now apparently it needs amending in a way that makes no-deal a distinct possibility again.

Nice to see this was mentioned in all his repetitive Brexit stuff during the election.....

I was hoping the large majority would see the far-right nutters marginalised but insiders (and some of the footage from hustings) actually suggests they've increased the number of lunatics. Will be watching through my fingers to see how this plays out.
 
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djr8369

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  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,230
chiefdave said:
It's meaningless and just for show. If it comes down to the wire he can repeal this just as quickly as he can introduce it. Playing to the gallery.
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Yes, hopefully this is the case.


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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2019
  • #46,231
Astute said:
This won't be easy.

Just like I have said all along I can't see us leaving fully. The EU needs our money. We need the trade with the EU short/medium term. We might leave......But it will take years to sort out. This means no trade deals around the world as we would be stuck with the EU rules. No trade deals allowed.

To get trade deals around the world and to have a trade deal with the EU everything that comes to the UK would have to adhere to EU rules. It wouldn't be easy. And we have seen that it is a very hard institution to leave.

All I can see is many more years of bullshit ahead.
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Sensible post.


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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2019
  • #46,232
clint van damme said:
The latest figures on growth (or lack of it) were released today and the government is going to exceed it's borrowing targets as a result. Could be a reaction to that.
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Our figures are not too bad at all

Subscribe to read | Financial Times
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2019
  • #46,233
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I thought the WA was oven-ready and all the candidates had signed up to pass it. Now apparently it needs amending in a way that makes no-deal a distinct possibility again.

Nice to see this was mentioned in all his repetitive Brexit stuff during the election.....

I was hoping the large majority would see the far-right nutters marginalised but insiders (and some of the footage from hustings) actually suggests they've increased the number of lunatics. Will be watching through my fingers to see how this plays out.
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The left wing nutters brought the right wing nutters out in force. The right wing nutters brought the left wing nutters out in force. So we ended up only noticing the nutters. And what made it worse was having the same nutters in charge of the parties.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 18, 2019
  • #46,234
chiefdave said:
It's meaningless and just for show. If it comes down to the wire he can repeal this just as quickly as he can introduce it. Playing to the gallery.
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Works a treat on Dim, mind you he would suck off Johnson no matter what
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 18, 2019
  • #46,235
Grendel said:
Bercow reversed 500 years of precedent to try and support a side of an argument he’s on

That’s usurping his authority

The opposition tried to put a gun to the government and force amendments which again is unheard of

You have a very odd view of democracy
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And yet they voted for his deal
 
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