The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .

Grendel

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Just saying, his said he will get it done and it ain't that easy.

Very easy for him to blame the EU for everything in terms of delay now.

We still have lots of infighting even within the Tory Party as to what kind of Brexit we want.
The amount of infighting is irrelevant - he can shale it however he wants with such a large majority and an influx of new MPs
 
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SkyblueBazza

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But anyway, back to the point at hand, No Deal is very much on the table.
And so it should be, being ready willing & able to walk away from any negotiation is a vital option because it levels the playing field somewhat

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Astute

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Just saying, his said he will get it done and it ain't that easy.

Very easy for him to blame the EU for everything in terms of delay now.

We still have lots of infighting even within the Tory Party as to what kind of Brexit we want.
So would we believe a liar on who is to blame?

It is our parliament that has held it back so far. Now it should move quicker until there is more involvement from the EU.

Maybe it will be the EU that employs delaying tactics. Maybe it will be the Tories. Maybe it will be the Remainers. We can't say who is innocent of all charges or guilty of everything until it happens. But many will do so. Same old really.
 

shmmeee

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No Deal is absolutely not off the table. In fact it's quite likely.

The Tory manifesto commits the UK to leaving without a deal if a trade deal with the EU isn't agreed by December 2020.

It took Canada 10 years to negotiate a trade deal with the EU.
Oh he’ll get a deal. And he’ll do it the way he did with the WA: he’ll cave in to every demand the EU makes.
 
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shmmeee

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Bill to block further delay to Brexit process

This is a great move by Boris, puts pressure on to negotiate the best deal possible after Jan! Years and years of extensions would play into the EU's favour!
Yes. When negotiating I always make sure to tell the other person I’m absolutely desperate and need literally anything to save my skin.

The old wounded animal sympathy approach to negotiations. Classic Dom ;)
 

clint van damme

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I see the markets aren’t big fans of Johnson’s “negotiating”

The latest figures on growth (or lack of it) were released today and the government is going to exceed it's borrowing targets as a result. Could be a reaction to that.
 

Grendel

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There were celebrations on here about the value of the £ increasing, now I guess a weaker currency is better again :D
As usual though it’s rubbish - the actual level since October remains higher and of course it only went up in the first place as the markets breathed a huge sigh of relief that Labour were not elected
 

Sick Boy

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As usual though it’s rubbish - the actual level since October remains higher and of course it only went up in the first place as the markets breathed a huge sigh of relief that Labour were not elected
I must have missed you pointing that out to others in the aftermath of the election then!
 

Grendel

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I must have missed you pointing that out to others in the aftermath of the election then!
At the end of August sterling to dollar - it was down to 1.21 and now is 1.32 - the peak was 1.34 - Shmeee really needs better analytical skills
 

Sky Blue Pete

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At the end of August sterling to dollar - it was down to 1.21 and now is 1.32 - the peak was 1.34 - Shmeee really needs better analytical skills
And now it’s right back down to pre election figures cause johnson is gonna arrange another cliff edge by saying we are out of he’ll jump in a ditch Dec 20
 

Grendel

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And now it’s right back down to pre election figures cause johnson is gonna arrange another cliff edge by saying we are out of he’ll jump in a ditch Dec 20
Er it’s down 2 cents - the boost being because Commie Corbyn wasn’t getting elected
 

Grendel

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What, you never noticed that he was irritating before?

Bit slow on the uptake, aren't you.
Many on here were saying he’s standing up for parliament along with that slime ball Grieve as you well know. He allowed the Order Paper to be removed from the government for the first time in 500 years - he was crawling over procedure to justify the most undemocratic action we have witnessed in parliament

Everyone has got their just deserts - Johnson stuck to his guns, was not going to be bullied and intimidated and rightly cane through in the eyes of the public
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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Many on here were saying he’s standing up for parliament along with that slime ball Grieve as you well know. He allowed the Order Paper to be removed from the government for the first time in 500 years - he was crawling over procedure to justify the most undemocratic action we have witnessed in parliament

Everyone has got their just deserts - Johnson stuck to his guns, was not going to be bullied and intimidated and rightly cane through in the eyes of the public
Thank god Boris called the election! In the end it showed how the public really felt about the speakers actions trying to delay and stop brexit
 

NorthernWisdom

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Many on here were saying he’s standing up for parliament along with that slime ball Grieve as you well know. He allowed the Order Paper to be removed from the government for the first time in 500 years - he was crawling over procedure to justify the most undemocratic action we have witnessed in parliament
He did stand up for parliament. We currently haver a very dangerous Prime Minister, who is manipulating democracy in a disturbing way, where he chooses to represent immensely undemocratic acts as standing up for the people. Alas, it seems we don't learn from history in that respect.

Bercow standing up for parliament, however, doesn't stop him being irritating!
 

SkyBlueDom26

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He did stand up for parliament. We currently haver a very dangerous Prime Minister, who is manipulating democracy in a disturbing way, where he chooses to represent immensely undemocratic acts as standing up for the people. Alas, it seems we don't learn from history in that respect.

Bercow standing up for parliament, however, doesn't stop him being irritating!
What 'undemocratic act' are you hinting at?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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Thank god Boris called the election! In the end it showed how the public really felt about the speakers actions trying to delay and stop brexit
Just wait this is a long burning decision that will tKe some time before we can say well done to anyone at this stage
 

Sky Blue Pete

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Johnson absolutely played Corbyn over the timing of the election which the fixed term act was supposed to mean couldn’t happen
 

Grendel

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He did stand up for parliament. We currently haver a very dangerous Prime Minister, who is manipulating democracy in a disturbing way, where he chooses to represent immensely undemocratic acts as standing up for the people. Alas, it seems we don't learn from history in that respect.

Bercow standing up for parliament, however, doesn't stop him being irritating!
Bercow reversed 500 years of precedent to try and support a side of an argument he’s on

That’s usurping his authority

The opposition tried to put a gun to the government and force amendments which again is unheard of

You have a very odd view of democracy
 

tisza

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He did. I have no idea why they all agreed to it!

Well... tbf I can see why the SNP agreed to it. In all this it's been missed what a good job they've done, politically. They've played the system to create the conditions they want.
think 2017 played into it when May misjudged things so badly. Parties maybe thought Tory support would fall again as voting day drew close. Obvious that labour didn't see collapse support in so many strongholds.
SNP thought they could capitalize on antipathy towards both major parties and Brexit election suited them as they'd struggle to fight a campaign on domestic issues the way they are struggling with the dissatisfaction amongst Scottish voters in key areas like Health & Education
 

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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I thought the WA was oven-ready and all the candidates had signed up to pass it. Now apparently it needs amending in a way that makes no-deal a distinct possibility again.

Nice to see this was mentioned in all his repetitive Brexit stuff during the election.....

I was hoping the large majority would see the far-right nutters marginalised but insiders (and some of the footage from hustings) actually suggests they've increased the number of lunatics. Will be watching through my fingers to see how this plays out.
 

djr8369

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This won't be easy.

Just like I have said all along I can't see us leaving fully. The EU needs our money. We need the trade with the EU short/medium term. We might leave......But it will take years to sort out. This means no trade deals around the world as we would be stuck with the EU rules. No trade deals allowed.

To get trade deals around the world and to have a trade deal with the EU everything that comes to the UK would have to adhere to EU rules. It wouldn't be easy. And we have seen that it is a very hard institution to leave.

All I can see is many more years of bullshit ahead.
Sensible post.


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