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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (17 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,221
Astute said:
Heavy drinking session last night?
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no, why?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,222
Astute said:
He knows he would lose. Nothing chicken. He isn't thick. But a few would like you to believe different.
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Curious: where do you get your info from?

Do you read the Labour press?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,223
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Because once he wins the election by a mile and teams with the brexit party, he can have a majority and go for what he wants
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Any comments on what the Despatches investigation uncovered last night with regards to how American pharmaceutical companies are lining the NHS up for a raise in the cost of purchasing drugs post Brexit that on this single issue alone dwarfs the amount that we send to the EU?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,224
shmmeee said:
I didn’t know Phillip Hammond knew who I was!
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here is a synopsis of his interview on Radio 4:

Johnson using election to move Tories further right, says Hammond

Here's the quote I was on about:

"Hammond, who is now an independent MP for Runnymede and Weybridge, also said parliament should not be blamed for the lack of progress on Brexit because it was Johnson who had wrecked the chance of getting his own deal passed by MPs."
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,225
skybluetony176 said:
Any comments on what the Despatches investigation uncovered last night with regards to how American pharmaceutical companies are lining the NHS up for a raise in the cost of purchasing drugs post Brexit that on this single issue alone dwarfs the amount that we send to the EU?
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leave means leave
leave won get over it
we're leaving get over it

think that covers it.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,226
clint van damme said:
leave means leave
leave won get over it
we're leaving get over it

think that covers it.
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Mental isn’t it.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,227
skybluetony176 said:
Mental isn’t it.
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it really is.
500 million spent by big pharma in the US lobbying for the NHS to be part of a trade deal.

Now they've been rumbled for getting so many Americans hooked on opiates they need another cash cow.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,228
Otis said:
Come on, Dom, are you trying to tell me that if the Tories were in opposition and they thought that they would lose any general election, that they would push for an election?

It's not about being chicken, it's about trying to give yourselves the best opportunity to win.

I don't think Labour ever will win under Corbyn, but that's besides the point.
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To think Corbyn is the one who doesn’t want an election is to completely misunderstand the Corbynite mindset.

They think they’ll win. They don’t believe the polls. They think Corbyn is a master campaigner and will gain 10-20 pts during a GE campaign.

The 140 MPs who have told Corbyn they won’t vote for an election are the same ones who thought they’d get decimated in 2017. The anti-Corbynites. They don’t want to go into an election with him as leader and fear losing their seats because they think they’ll get smashed.

But of course people who think that only party leaders exist and we have some kind of dictatorial regime because they don’t understand the nuance if party politics can’t grasp this.

Just “Old man bad”
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,229
clint van damme said:
it really is.
500 million spent by big pharma in the US lobbying for the NHS to be part of a trade deal.

Now they've been rumbled for getting so many Americans hooked on opiates they need another cash cow.
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They have a long history of manipulation of the vulnerable.
 
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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,230
shmmeee said:
To think Corbyn is the one who doesn’t want an election is to completely misunderstand the Corbynite mindset.

They think they’ll win. They don’t believe the polls. They think Corbyn is a master campaigner and will gain 10-20 pts during a GE campaign.

The 140 MPs who have told Corbyn they won’t vote for an election are the same ones who thought they’d get decimated in 2017. The anti-Corbynites. They don’t want to go into an election with him as leader and fear losing their seats because they think they’ll get smashed.

But of course people who think that only party leaders exist and we have some kind of dictatorial regime because they don’t understand the nuance if party politics can’t grasp this.

Just “Old man bad”
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Fair points.

It.is very much becoming about individuals isn't it, rather than policies of the party.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,231
Otis said:
Fair points.

It.is very much becoming about individuals isn't it, rather than policies of the party.
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Brexit has broken down a lot of party loyalty, Corbyn didn’t exactly have much to begin with.

Johnson obviously lost his 20 odd MPs straight away, and I don’t read as much of the Tory press to know the ins and outs but I believe there’s a similar argument in the Tories with some wanting an election after Brexit and others wanting one now. But Tories in general are more loyal and Johnson has already jettisoned the worst rebels.

Edit: sorry realised you meant among the voters it’s more personality. It certainly is. I think this started with Thatcher, and was continued by Blair. It suits the media but ignores how the U.K. political system works. Suits those who want to easily smear an opponent though and suits shitty MPs who get back in on their leaders ticket.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,232
shmmeee said:
I didn’t know Phillip Hammond knew who I was!
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Are you the 'sad' part of that message?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,233
shmmeee said:
Curious: where do you get your info from?

Do you read the Labour press?
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I don't read party political bullshit from any party. They will only tell you what they want you to hear.
 

Astute

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,234
clint van damme said:
Phillip Hammond has sad the same think this morning.
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Astute said:
Heavy drinking session last night?
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clint van damme said:
no, why?
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,235

I wasn't very clear! Did something more disorientating than heavy drinking last night - 5 a side!
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,236
shmmeee said:
To think Corbyn is the one who doesn’t want an election is to completely misunderstand the Corbynite mindset.

They think they’ll win. They don’t believe the polls. They think Corbyn is a master campaigner and will gain 10-20 pts during a GE campaign.

The 140 MPs who have told Corbyn they won’t vote for an election are the same ones who thought they’d get decimated in 2017. The anti-Corbynites. They don’t want to go into an election with him as leader and fear losing their seats because they think they’ll get smashed.

But of course people who think that only party leaders exist and we have some kind of dictatorial regime because they don’t understand the nuance if party politics can’t grasp this.

Just “Old man bad”
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He won't come out straight with saying Labour will lose with him in charge. But you are the only one who seems to even think he has a chance. Even the millenniums don't rate him that highly

Jeremy Corbyn popularity & fame | YouGov
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,237
Labour to back early general election

Booooooom the chicken finally accepts
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,238
I see Labour have now said they will support a general election.
 

Astute

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,239
Otis said:
Fair points.

It.is very much becoming about individuals isn't it, rather than policies of the party.
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It has been for ages.

Brexit is the biggest thing in the UK for a lot of years. Each party other than Labour has a leader that has left the voters without any doubt what they want to happen. The Lib Dems beat Corbyn to the remain vote while he was busy dithering about.

Would you vote for anyone pushing to leave?

Of course not. So you are the same as the vast majority.

It has just been announced that there will be a general election before Christmas.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,240
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Labour to back early general election

Booooooom the chicken finally accepts
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I thought we agreed he wasn't a chicken. Well, I agreed with me on behalf of you.
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,241
But Labour frontbencher silent on which date Labour wants

When asked whether it should be on 9 or 12 December - or another date - Burgon simply says: "We just want a general election - we want them out before Christmas."


This sums Labour up, still can't answer when they want the election for
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,242
Otis said:
I thought we agreed he wasn't a chicken. Well, I agreed with me on behalf of you.
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Stop talking shite
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,243
Otis said:
I see Labour have now said they will support a general election.
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only because it was coming anyway
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,244
SkyBlueDom26 said:
But Labour frontbencher silent on which date Labour wants

When asked whether it should be on 9 or 12 December - or another date - Burgon simply says: "We just want a general election - we want them out before Christmas."


This sums Labour up, still can't answer when they want the election for
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Yep and the Tories have complete unity amongst their ranks don't they.

Fact is, if the Tories didn't have all the differing factions and voted along party lines we would be out of Europe by now.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,245
Otis said:
Yep and the Tories have complete unity amongst their ranks don't they.

Fact is, if the Tories didn't have all the differing factions and voted along party lines we would be out of Europe by now.
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Not really as since 2017 they have not had a majority
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,246
Astute said:
I don't read party political bullshit from any party. They will only tell you what they want you to hear.
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*facepalm*

That’s not what the Labour press are. I’m talking about things like LabourList and New Statesman that have reporters close to the party and report on internal politics.

Edit: also LOL at someone both claiming they don’t listed to party political bullshit, but parroting the CCHQ “Corbyn is chicken” line.
 
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Otis

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,247
Grendel said:
Not really as since 2017 they have not had a majority
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Surely they would have got it through wouldn't they, all the Tories plus some opposition dissenters.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,248
shmmeee said:
*facepalm*

That’s not what the Labour press are. I’m talking about things like LabourList and New Statesman that have reporters close to the party and report on internal politics.
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You afraid of the election coming up?
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,249
Made another thread for the General Election.

Think we should keep the General Election and Europe separate.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,250
Otis said:
Surely they would have got it through wouldn't they, all the Tories plus some opposition dissenters.
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I doubt it and very few parties would have unity so they’d always be a small number of people against certain policies or abstain
 

Astute

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,251
shmmeee said:
*facepalm*

That’s not what the Labour press are. I’m talking about things like LabourList and New Statesman that have reporters close to the party and report on internal politics.
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Are you saying not a biased view?
 

Astute

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,252
Philosorapter said:
Made another thread for the General Election.

Think we should keep the General Election and Europe separate.
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Why when it is all about Brexit?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,253
Astute said:
Why when it is all about Brexit?
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It won’t be - once campaigning starts lots of other issues will be discussed and scrutinised
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,254
Grendel said:
It won’t be - once campaigning starts lots of other issues will be discussed and scrutinised
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But it will still all be about Brexit.

Will leavers vote for a remain party? Will remainers vote for a leave party?
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2019
  • #45,255
Astute said:
But it will still all be about Brexit.

Will leavers vote for a remain party? Will remainers vote for a leave party?
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It won’t be. The lines on Brexit are pretty much set

A lot of the campaigning will be on other issues - especially the opposition
 
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