Summer Transfer Window

[shmmeee]

As one window closes, speculation about the next one opening begins.

Like shopping while hungry, I find thinking about squad rebuilds on the back of two defeats to superior opposition a great idea, and thought I’d start the discussion from a sound fact based foundation. On that note, here’s a GIMOC post:

MVE will be off. Club thought he was off in Jan but didn’t meet our valuation

Can certainly see Sheaf out the door too. That will accumulate to 15 - 18 mill of funds also Vik windfall of another 6-8 mill. That’s around 25 mill with a few others leaving. I can see another summer of mass movement

hopefully this time round it’s quality over quantity with a couple loans thrown in too

Assuming this is true, and we had a fat chunk available in the summer. Who would you hire and fire?

 

[Deleted member 7943]

As one window closes, speculation about the next one opening begins.

Like shopping while hungry, I find thinking about squad rebuilds on the back of two defeats to superior opposition a great idea, and thought I’d start the discussion from a sound fact based foundation. On that note, here’s a GIMOC post:




Assuming this is true, and we had a fat chunk available in the summer. Who would you hire and fire?

We need more quality squad depth that doesn't cost a bomb

We've so many 1st team players unavailable ATM it's hard to gauge how we'd be doing if the entire team were fit

 

[Chicken Mcgraw]

Losing MVE and Sheaf would be disastrous and set us up for failure from the outset. It would be incredibly difficult to recruit a top 6 team without them.

Should Wright leave too, it would be time to start protesting against the ownership in my opinion

 

[shmmeee]

I think I’d go for 11 in:

RB - loan
RB - £2m - Young challenger for loanee we can develop
CB - £4m - Leader and organiser (who can also defend
CB - £2m someone with pace
LB - £2m - Young attacking alternative to Bidwell
DM - £1m - Grimes understudy
CM - £5m - Marquee quality signing dynamic box to box midifeldwr
CM - loan - Challenge to Torp and Rudi
RW - £3m - Quick and tricky and ideally can play a few positions along the front three
LW - Loan - As above
ST - £3m - Someone with a first touch who offers something different from Simms and Wright

£4m owing for Grimes = £26m

Sell: MvE (10), Sheaf (4), Vik sell on (6), Dasilva (0.5), Lats (1), BTA (2), Eccles (2), Binks (0.5) = £26m
Release: Wilson, Tavares, Allen, Burroughs, Howley

Give you

Dovin/Collins/Academy GK
RB/RB
CB/CB/Thomas/Kitching
LB/Bidwell
Grimes/DM
CM/rudoni/CM/torp
RW/Sakamoto
EMC/LW
Wright/ST/Simms

Loan out Bassette and Rapha

 

[Deleted member 7943]

I think I’d go for 11 in:

RB - loan
RB - £2m - Young challenger for loanee we can develop
CB - £4m - Leader and organiser (who can also defend
CB - £2m someone with pace
LB - £2m - Young attacking alternative to Bidwell
DM - £1m - Grimes understudy
CM - £5m - Marquee quality signing dynamic box to box midifeldwr
CM - loan - Challenge to Torp and Rudi
RW - £3m - Quick and tricky and ideally can play a few positions along the front three
LW - Loan - As above
ST - £3m - Someone with a first touch who offers something different from Simms and Wright

£4m owing for Grimes = £26m

Sell: MvE (10), Sheaf (4), Vik sell on (6), Dasilva (0.5), Lats (1), BTA (2), Eccles (2), Binks (0.5) = £26m

Give you

Dovin/Collins/Academy GK
RB/RB
CB/CB/Thomas/Kitching
LB/Bidwell
Grimes/DM
CM/rudoni/CM/torp
RW/Sakamoto
EMC/LW
Wright/ST/Simms

Loan out Bassette and Rapha

Not sure it's as simple as that

 

[Chicken Mcgraw]

I think I’d go for 11 in:

RB - loan
RB - £2m - Young challenger for loanee we can develop
CB - £4m - Leader and organiser (who can also defend
CB - £2m someone with pace
LB - £2m - Young attacking alternative to Bidwell
DM - £1m - Grimes understudy
CM - £5m - Marquee quality signing dynamic box to box midifeldwr
CM - loan - Challenge to Torp and Rudi
RW - £3m - Quick and tricky and ideally can play a few positions along the front three
LW - Loan - As above
ST - £3m - Someone with a first touch who offers something different from Simms and Wright

£4m owing for Grimes = £26m

Sell: MvE (10), Sheaf (4), Vik sell on (6), Dasilva (0.5), Lats (1), BTA (2), Eccles (2), Binks (0.5) = £26m

Give you

Dovin/Collins/Academy GK
RB/RB
CB/CB/Thomas/Kitching
LB/Bidwell
Grimes/DM
CM/rudoni/CM/torp
RW/Sakamoto
EMC/LW
Wright/ST/Simms

Loan out Bassette and Rapha

That is far too much business for one window. I would sign 7 as a maximum.

GK
MVE CB Kitching LB
Sheaf Grimes
RW Rudoni Wright
ST

Dovin
RB
Thomas
Lati
Bidwell
Eccles
Allen
Torp
CAM
Sakamoto
Mason Clark
Simms

The keepers, Binks, Dasilva, Asante and Bassette all free to leave.

 

[shmmeee]

Not sure it's as simple as that

Course it is. Just take over the opposition teams temporarily and bump the fees up/accept bids before quitting. Done it loads

 

[shmmeee]

Course it is. Just take over the opposition teams temporarily and bump the fees up/accept bids before quitting. Done it loads

In all seriousness do think the outs are realistic values. And I think Lampard will want to to fill out the squad. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Summer 23 levels of turnover

 

[Deity]

You don’t need to be ITK to predict Sheaf will depart and MVE too. If Wright hits the ground running he will also be a target

 

[rockwoodfleet]

I think I’d go for 11 in:

RB - loan
RB - £2m - Young challenger for loanee we can develop
CB - £4m - Leader and organiser (who can also defend
CB - £2m someone with pace
LB - £2m - Young attacking alternative to Bidwell
DM - £1m - Grimes understudy
CM - £5m - Marquee quality signing dynamic box to box midifeldwr
CM - loan - Challenge to Torp and Rudi
RW - £3m - Quick and tricky and ideally can play a few positions along the front three
LW - Loan - As above
ST - £3m - Someone with a first touch who offers something different from Simms and Wright

£4m owing for Grimes = £26m

Sell: MvE (10), Sheaf (4), Vik sell on (6), Dasilva (0.5), Lats (1), BTA (2), Eccles (2), Binks (0.5) = £26m
Release: Wilson, Tavares, Allen, Burroughs, Howley

Give you

Dovin/Collins/Academy GK
RB/RB
CB/CB/Thomas/Kitching
LB/Bidwell
Grimes/DM
CM/rudoni/CM/torp
RW/Sakamoto
EMC/LW
Wright/ST/Simms

Loan out Bassette and Rapha

I think your price evaluations on sales are realistic

 

[shmmeee]

You don’t need to be ITK to predict Sheaf will depart and MVE too. If Wright hits the ground running he will also be a target

Id hope we can keep Wright another year mostly cos of his injury and the fact he’s on a longer contract.

 

[shmmeee]

I think your price evaluations on sales are realistic

I think so. Might get a bit less for MvE or Sheaf and a bit more for the others, we did get £1m for Kasey Palmer with a year left. But overall £25m ish seems reasonable for the result of a new manager clear out.

 

[steveo1987]

Just took a look back at their 4th, JDS totally inept with any semblance of basic defending, he has got to go in the summer.

 

[Robinshio]

I think I’d go for 11 in:

RB - loan
RB - £2m - Young challenger for loanee we can develop
CB - £4m - Leader and organiser (who can also defend
CB - £2m someone with pace
LB - £2m - Young attacking alternative to Bidwell
DM - £1m - Grimes understudy
CM - £5m - Marquee quality signing dynamic box to box midifeldwr
CM - loan - Challenge to Torp and Rudi
RW - £3m - Quick and tricky and ideally can play a few positions along the front three
LW - Loan - As above
ST - £3m - Someone with a first touch who offers something different from Simms and Wright

£4m owing for Grimes = £26m

Sell: MvE (10), Sheaf (4), Vik sell on (6), Dasilva (0.5), Lats (1), BTA (2), Eccles (2), Binks (0.5) = £26m
Release: Wilson, Tavares, Allen, Burroughs, Howley

Give you

Dovin/Collins/Academy GK
RB/RB
CB/CB/Thomas/Kitching
LB/Bidwell
Grimes/DM
CM/rudoni/CM/torp
RW/Sakamoto
EMC/LW
Wright/ST/Simms

Loan out Bassette and Rapha

I was with you apart from seeing Collins still there

 

[ptr]

Just took a look back at their 4th, JDS totally inept with any semblance of basic defending, he has got to go in the summer.

He will have zero interest, same as Binks. Will not get the money they are on here anywhere else.

 

[rockwoodfleet]

I think so. Might get a bit less for MvE or Sheaf and a bit more for the others, we did get £1m for Kasey Palmer with a year left. But overall £25m ish seems reasonable for the result of a new manager clear out.

Some were saying 6 million for Eccles

 

[covcity4life]

Not sure it's as simple as that

And he accuses others of being FIFA fans.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Just having a look. Think we’ll only target one CB in the summer.

Feel Thomas is a good back up/ Third option. Kitching is so far seemingly a good starter and Binks I think could develop further (only first permanent year) and even if we wanted to think he’d only go on loan next year.

Would look at Darling on a free to replace Lati. Great thing with Darling is he can play both right and left side Cb so can fill in across the back line.

 

[Captain Dart]

I think I’d go for 11 in:

RB - loan
RB - £2m - Young challenger for loanee we can develop
CB - £4m - Leader and organiser (who can also defend
CB - £2m someone with pace
LB - £2m - Young attacking alternative to Bidwell
DM - £1m - Grimes understudy
CM - £5m - Marquee quality signing dynamic box to box midifeldwr
CM - loan - Challenge to Torp and Rudi
RW - £3m - Quick and tricky and ideally can play a few positions along the front three
LW - Loan - As above
ST - £3m - Someone with a first touch who offers something different from Simms and Wright

£4m owing for Grimes = £26m

Sell: MvE (10), Sheaf (4), Vik sell on (6), Dasilva (0.5), Lats (1), BTA (2), Eccles (2), Binks (0.5) = £26m
Release: Wilson, Tavares, Allen, Burroughs, Howley

Give you

Dovin/Collins/Academy GK
RB/RB
CB/CB/Thomas/Kitching
LB/Bidwell
Grimes/DM
CM/rudoni/CM/torp
RW/Sakamoto
EMC/LW
Wright/ST/Simms

Loan out Bassette and Rapha

You don't live in the real world. Players and the agents whispering on their shoulder have their say, the club is at the mercy of many competing influences and a wholesale clear out is a good way to destabilise the club.

It's far too early to bother with this line of thought, better to do something productive instead.

 

[Gint11]

Losing MVE and Sheaf would be disastrous and set us up for failure from the outset. It would be incredibly difficult to recruit a top 6 team without them.

Should Wright leave too, it would be time to start protesting against the ownership in my opinion

I get your view and may prove right but right now, I disagree.

MVE - loveable character and rapid but he is a very average RB or RWB. His positional sense is poor and relys on pace to recover. He loses the ball all the time. For 2-4M we can buy much more consistent RBs IMO.

Sheaf’s injury prone. Can barely get 25 games out of him. Time he goes too.

MVE - sold (hopefully £10M
Sheaf - sold £5/6M ? (Assuming he wants to go and doesn’t sign a new contract, assuming the club will offer him one)
JDS - sold. Poor player
Eccles - sold. Not convinced Lamps likes him
Tavares? Sold probably
Allen? Either released or 1 year deal

The big one for me is Wright. Key player for us but very valuable. It will depend if he is happy to stay another year.

What’s Lamps thinking about Simms?

For me, Grimes signing was a very intelligent one which gives me hope the club know what they are doing and what this squad needs.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Losing MVE and Sheaf would be disastrous and set us up for failure from the outset. It would be incredibly difficult to recruit a top 6 team without them.

Should Wright leave too, it would be time to start protesting against the ownership in my opinion

Don’t agree with this. Understand the concern of losing key players but if we are to develop we need the money especially in the case of Sheaf who is out of contract next summer.

We know Doug will reinvest the funds in a similar manner and replace the players. With a lot more of the squad built up. We could imo target real quality this summer

 

[Balli001]

I get your view and may prove right but right now, I disagree.

MVE - loveable character and rapid but he is a very average RB or RWB. His positional sense is poor and relys on pace to recover. He loses the ball all the time. For 2-4M we can buy much more consistent RBs IMO.

Sheaf’s injury prone. Can barely get 25 games out of him. Time he goes too.

MVE - sold (hopefully £10M
Sheaf - sold £5/6M ? (Assuming he wants to go and doesn’t sign a new contract, assuming the club will offer him one)
JDS - sold. Poor player
Eccles - sold. Not convinced Lamps likes him
Tavares? Sold probably
Allen? Either released or 1 year deal

The big one for me is Wright. Key player for us but very valuable. It will depend if he is happy to stay another year.

What’s Lamps thinking about Simms?

For me, Grimes signing was a very intelligent one which gives me hope the club know what they are doing and what this squad needs.

Tavares is out of contract so would just be released

 

[SAJ]

I think I’d go for 11 in:

RB - loan
RB - £2m - Young challenger for loanee we can develop
CB - £4m - Leader and organiser (who can also defend
CB - £2m someone with pace
LB - £2m - Young attacking alternative to Bidwell
DM - £1m - Grimes understudy
CM - £5m - Marquee quality signing dynamic box to box midifeldwr
CM - loan - Challenge to Torp and Rudi
RW - £3m - Quick and tricky and ideally can play a few positions along the front three
LW - Loan - As above
ST - £3m - Someone with a first touch who offers something different from Simms and Wright

£4m owing for Grimes = £26m

Sell: MvE (10), Sheaf (4), Vik sell on (6), Dasilva (0.5), Lats (1), BTA (2), Eccles (2), Binks (0.5) = £26m
Release: Wilson, Tavares, Allen, Burroughs, Howley

Give you

Dovin/Collins/Academy GK
RB/RB
CB/CB/Thomas/Kitching
LB/Bidwell
Grimes/DM
CM/rudoni/CM/torp
RW/Sakamoto
EMC/LW
Wright/ST/Simms

Loan out Bassette and Rapha

You think you would get 0.5 million for Dasilva? I think we would be lucky to offload him for free just to get his salary off the books.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

You think you would get 0.5 million for Dasilva? I think we would be lucky to offload him for free just to get his salary off the books.

Always thought Wrexham would want him. Play a back five, championship experience and Welsh international

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I think I’d go for 11 in:

RB - loan
RB - £2m - Young challenger for loanee we can develop
CB - £4m - Leader and organiser (who can also defend
CB - £2m someone with pace
LB - £2m - Young attacking alternative to Bidwell
DM - £1m - Grimes understudy
CM - £5m - Marquee quality signing dynamic box to box midifeldwr
CM - loan - Challenge to Torp and Rudi
RW - £3m - Quick and tricky and ideally can play a few positions along the front three
LW - Loan - As above
ST - £3m - Someone with a first touch who offers something different from Simms and Wright

£4m owing for Grimes = £26m

Sell: MvE (10), Sheaf (4), Vik sell on (6), Dasilva (0.5), Lats (1), BTA (2), Eccles (2), Binks (0.5) = £26m
Release: Wilson, Tavares, Allen, Burroughs, Howley

Give you

Dovin/Collins/Academy GK
RB/RB
CB/CB/Thomas/Kitching
LB/Bidwell
Grimes/DM
CM/rudoni/CM/torp
RW/Sakamoto
EMC/LW
Wright/ST/Simms

Loan out Bassette and Rapha

Scouting will need to be very high level to get quality for the prices you have quoted.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Reading between the lines and some of our bigger players who’ve been here a few seasons will defo be off.

Out:

Collins
Wilson
Lati
Binks
JDS
Eccles
BTA
Sheaf (£s)
MVE (£s)
Wright (£s)

Expect about £40m+ with Vik money as well in the summer.

That gives Frank a decent kitty to build the squad to the next level (if we’re still in the Champ)

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

In an ideal world. Probably won't happen:

Incoming
x2 RB (MVE replacement) + a loan. Possible one that can play RCB if needed.
X2 CB (Replacement for Binks and Lati)
LB (to compete with Bidwell)
CDM (Sheaf replacement)
CM (Eccles replacement)
ST (We need better than Simms / BTA)
RW (Someone to compete with Sakamoto)

Outgoing
Bassette - loan
Raphael - loan
BTA - sell
Lati - sell
Collins - dustbin
Eccles - probably going
JDS - sell
MVE - will be sold
Sheaf - will be sold
Binks - sell
Wright - ? (Sneaky feeling he might want a move away given the world cup)

 

[shmmeee]

I was with you apart from seeing Collins still there

Got to sign another keeper unless you give Wilson another contract. I don’t expect Dovin to be out much and I’d hope the academy product proves better.

 

[Cally Fedora]

If we’re working on the assumption that Ewijk and Sheaf go and Gyokeres also moves on my shopping list would be:
Two RB’s
1 very good CH (biggest outlay)
1 LB capable of playing ahead of Bidwell
1 midfield

Anything else based on plugging outgoing gaps

 

[TomRad85]

I've got a good feeling about Obikwu. Long time I've said that about anyone from our academy.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Got to sign another keeper unless you give Wilson another contract. I don’t expect Dovin to be out much and I’d hope the academy product proves better.

Wilson's contract will probably be extended. He's a good presence to have around the squad plus he won't be on massive wages I wouldn't have thought. More expensive to bring another replacement in and it's not a priority.

 

[shmmeee]

Scouting will need to be very high level to get quality for the prices you have quoted.

I think it’s doable though if you look at other teams. Some will be cheaper, maybe the odd free, some will be more expensive. But if you can get Grimes for 3.5-4m you can get a quality CM for £5m and a quality CB for £4m and they’re the main signings. I’d want lots of choice up front so we can switch things up and keep it fresh. I think £3m spent wisely abroad can get you a pacy RW and a number 9 who can hold the ball. Most of the rest are back up and prospects. I’d be looking at PL academy cast offs mostly.

 

[shmmeee]

Wilson's contract will probably be extended. He's a good presence to have around the squad plus he won't be on massive wages I wouldn't have thought. More expensive to bring another replacement in and it's not a priority.

If you can find a buyer for Collins I’m open to that. Just think Lampard prefers him going off who he selects for the bench.

 

[Terry_dactyl]

I've got a good feeling about Obikwu. Long time I've said that about anyone from our academy.

Yeah, he’s a big lad. Looked half decent in the preseason friendlies I’ve seen him in * and seems to be doing alright at Grimsby.

* I’ve seen come off the bench in 2 preseason friendlies.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I’d be amazed if Wright goes and if he does it won’t be any less than what Vik went for based on his contract length