I'm sure the Climate change/Anti Brexit/Peoples vote/Greenpeace/LGBTQ/CND are already working on a support march in aid of welcoming her back. Bloody Tories!She'll be allowed back eventually because we are a weak-willed nation.
By the way who is paying for her legal team?
I still can’t understand why a 15 year old being manipulated and coerced into criminal activity is treated differently in this situation. Is it because she is Muslim? Or cause she’s not white? Is it because she condones or condoned actions that were really very bad? I don’t get it?
BantssssssssssssPeople still say 'remoaner'?
tbh a right wing reactionary is more your cup of tea, thankyou very much.All the remoaners from the other thread will be right behind it :smuggrin::smuggrin:
Answer the question you’re not stupidWhat are you waffling about now
If you join the Brexit thread you can have your daily dose for breakfast, lunch, and tea.People still say 'remoaner'?
Completely agree. To be fair I have far more sympathy for her children and those other children who were recently found in camps who’d been taken by their parents to experience awful things. I just can’t move on from her being 15 when she went.tbh a right wing reactionary is more your cup of tea, thankyou very much.
Interesting that many people want Britain to descend to barbarism, to disallow people the opportunity to defend themselves, to refuse to allow a civilised society to be maintained, where people are judged objectively on what their crimes and faults are, rather than a gut feeling that they're a wrong'un. Interesting that so many want a Britain where you do not know if people have committed crims or not, because it's the power of populism that judges, not the test of evidence.
Personally, I'm proud of a Britain that's strong enough to fight for democratic rights for its people, and does not fall down on them. Shame there are so many who want to regress to the dark age neanderthalism that they claim to hate in others.
Nah we've moved on. They're remainiacs now.People still say 'remoaner'?
tbh a right wing reactionary is more your cup of tea, thankyou very much.
Interesting that many people want Britain to descend to barbarism, to disallow people the opportunity to defend themselves, to refuse to allow a civilised society to be maintained, where people are judged objectively on what their crimes and faults are, rather than a gut feeling that they're a wrong'un. Interesting that so many want a Britain where you do not know if people have committed crimes or not, because it's the power of populism that judges, not the test of evidence.
Personally, I'm proud of a Britain that's strong enough to fight for democratic rights for its people, and does not fall down on them. Shame there are so many who want to regress to the dark age neanderthalism that they claim to hate in others.
If you join the Brexit thread you can have your daily dose for breakfast, lunch, and tea.
Completely agree. To be fair I have far more sympathy for her children and those other children who were recently found in camps who’d been taken by their parents to experience awful things. I just can’t move on from her being 15 when she went.
No. It was a conscious decision and her age irrelevant, she's a terrorist.I still can’t understand why a 15 year old being manipulated and coerced into criminal activity is treated differently in this situation. Is it because she is Muslim? Or cause she’s not white? Is it because she condones or condoned actions that were really very bad? I don’t get it?
Completely agree. To be fair I have far more sympathy for her children and those other children who were recently found in camps who’d been taken by their parents to experience awful things. I just can’t move on from her being 15 when she went.
I just can’t move on from her being 15 when she went.
Based on the express or mail? And if she did it would be she’s only saying it so she can come back. She can’t win and to be fair I don’t know her and care little for her I’m just saying to you guys have a shake of your head. She was 15. Culpable but not completely responsible in law as she was a childShe shows zero remorse for her actions. She knew what she was doing then, just like she knows what she's doing now.
A "normal" 15 year old, would show remorse as they grew up over things they did at 15, if they didn't know what they were doing.
Based on the express or mail? And if she did it would be she’s only saying it so she can come back. She can’t win and to be fair I don’t know her and care little for her I’m just saying to you guys have a shake of your head. She was 15. Culpable but not completely responsible in law as she was a child
Empathy. I can’t sympathise as I’ve never murdered a toddler. And yes of course they were younger than the age of criminal responsibilitySo you have sympathy for the 10 year old killers of Jamie Bulger then? Errr ok.
You’re not trying. Please read in order for us to communicate. 15 year olds are treated differently in law.I knew what i was doing at 15, are you acting stupid on purpose?
Not really a child either tbh, more an older teen
You’re not trying. Please read in order for us to communicate. 15 year olds are treated differently in law.I knew what i was doing at 15, are you acting stupid on purpose?
Not really a child either tbh, more an older teen
Based on the express or mail? And if she did it would be she’s only saying it so she can come back. She can’t win and to be fair I don’t know her and care little for her I’m just saying to you guys have a shake of your head. She was 15. Culpable but not completely responsible in law as she was a child
Wow are you an expert in human responses to trauma too! What would be enough suffering for you? Or your self righteous suffering on behalf of others? Are you with nick you’d like to shoot her dead?? I despair. We haven’t got a chance as human beings we just repeat and repeat the mistakes of our ancestors. And always willNo, the dead look in her eyes in TV interviews when talking about her involvement with IS.
Wow are you an expert in human responses to trauma too! What would be enough suffering for you? Or your self righteous suffering on behalf of others? Are you with nick you’d like to shoot her dead?? I despair. We haven’t got a chance as human beings we just repeat and repeat the mistakes of our ancestors. And always will
Wow are you an expert in human responses to trauma too! What would be enough suffering for you? Or your self righteous suffering on behalf of others? Are you with nick you’d like to shoot her dead?? I despair. We haven’t got a chance as human beings we just repeat and repeat the mistakes of our ancestors. And always will
Could give her a cuddle and let her live in your spare room instead?
I'm happy with just having her put down.
Wow are you an expert in human responses to trauma too! What would be enough suffering for you? Or your self righteous suffering on behalf of others? Are you with nick you’d like to shoot her dead?? I despair. We haven’t got a chance as human beings we just repeat and repeat the mistakes of our ancestors. And always will
I despair at people thinking evil people can be saved and rehabilitated.
There's a difference between repeating what our ancestors did (they used to hang people for stealing a turnip) and dealing with evil people appropriately.
That is not the point - you can’t remove citizenship - it’s dangerous and not democratic
It also, surely, removes the ability to punish her for future crimes, and limits surveillance?
That is not the point - you can’t remove citizenship - it’s dangerous and not democratic
I meant in the future, should she commit a crime that we wish to punish her for, then the ability for us to prosecute becomes limited if she's not a British citizen. It also limits our ability to ask for help from other nations' intelligence services, as we lose a certain weight of our request if we've washed our hands of her.I doubt she will be punished as there will be no evidence - I don’t actually see any benefit of her being in the country but in the end you have to honour citizenship
it’s the same as the European Arrest Warrant but in reverse - in that case citizens can be dumped in a foreign cell with no evidence at the will of a foreign government
I'm sure the Climate change/Anti Brexit/Peoples vote/Greenpeace/LGBTQ/CND are already working on a support march in aid of welcoming her back. Bloody Tories!
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