GaryPendrysEyes
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A new stadium isn't going to happen, because it makes no business sense whatsoever. It's just Sisu game plan. And to put it kindly SCG and Cov fans and Cov citizens are just being played.
SCG Meeting Notes - 30.10.13 (1 Viewer)
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No future with SISU
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Its a league one ground there is no future for ccfc with a ground this size and no investment return for sisu.
kingharvest
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I said i hope we go back to the Ricoh
I have never said any ground will be 12k - nor have i heard it quoted
Nick
Administrator
I would say there is more of a future IF we are getting all of the income from it from football and non football things compared to the deal at the Ricoh as it was.
It really depends on what size it actually is (where did 12k come from) and how easily it can be upgraded?
No future with SISU
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They are talking £20m a 12,000 seater is what you will get for that, stuck in league 1.
Its unreal that some people will be happy with this, we'll be the laughing stock of the Midlands,i forgot we already are!
I want to see us play back in the premier league one day. If there was a miracle and it happened whilst we were at the Ricoh the place would be full every week. We've been starved of success, the fans would flock back.
A new ground of 12k is ending any kind of return to the bigtime and sealing lower league football forever.
Snozz_is_god
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Absolutely right, those at the SGC meeting are just being used as pawns in the game. CCFC has no intention of building a new ground, it's all lies designed to apply pressure on ACL/CCC they've been at it for ages.
The Reverend Skyblue
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Nick with a capacity of around 12-16,000 (yes its a guess, but about within what we all think) then the earning potential can't be more than the Ricoh if we are around 100 million in debt,(the debt now and the ground build costs) ,and then renting it from SISU, even if we sell 12000 pies a match surely.
If Coventry City harbour dreams of returning to the big time then they need a ground of at least 30k.
We traditionaly have been similar in size to the likes of Leicester/Southampton.
No future with SISU
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They are talking of a £20m spend on the ground and for that you will get a 10,000 seater.When city hauled them selves out of the lower leagues highfield road held up to 50,000.They took 13,000 to peterborough that is why with big support they could finance the climb up the league. With a 12,000 seater they will not be able to finance anything.
skybluetony176
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it doesn't demonstrate ambition does it
Nick
Administrator
It really depends how extendable though doesn't it? If it is something that can start off small and then grow with additional tiers quite easily then I don't see the issue. At least we would only have a stadium with space we need rather than a huge stadium that is 3/4 empty every week.
Would it make sense for them to build a 35,000 seater stadium at the minute?
Nick, it is quite simple - the SCG are invitees of SISU and are there to give credibility to SISU saying they consult with fans and to deliver messages to forums like this.
They do not represent the broad cross section of fans and, from what I read here, are too frightened to ask hard questions in case that would jeapordize their chance of getting to sit in the directors' box. Although quite why anyone should sell their soul to sit in the Directors' Box at Northampton is beyond me.
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James Smith
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Think it's Wigan where the stadium is surrounded by superstore size shops and has appalling road access. Don't understand why for such a large newish stadium the infrastructure to get the fans to the game was so neglected. Taxi driver just dumped us at the retail park entrance and said that it was as far as he was prepared to go because of the traffic down the access road to the ground. Hopefully the Plan A stadium won't suffer from this and thought will go into access to the ground.
James Smith
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I've said/asked this before and the general consensus was that we'd be even more screwed than we are now.
Seymour_East
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hopesprings
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NO! There again not sure how many times you need to be told that nothing that Sisu have done or are doing makes sense! It makes sense to discuss a return NOW to Ricoh (on a rent) whilst the rest of the negotiations take place.That has been a situation that they could have made happen anytime they wanted in the last 7 months!! Northampton need not have happened and could be undone in 2 or 3 days with a few phone calls by SENSIBLE people!
What confuses me here is the assumption that if SISU can manage to buy the freehold, then ACL's long-term management lease will become a big problem, but is this actually so?
If ACL's contract is with the existing freeholder (CCC), and SISU negotiate an unencumbered sale of the freehold, then wouldn't it fall to CCC to sort out the ACL lease?
Why should it automatically pass with the ground when it was an arrangement put in place by CCC to manage the stadium for them?
This is true.
chiefdave
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Well CCC own 50% of ACL so they can agree to sell them that part and an agreement was reached with Higgs previously to buy their 50% of ACL so assuming a similar offer was on the table that's not too big of an issue.
Bigger potential problems I can see would be SISU wanting to scrap the deals with Compass, IEC and anyone else involved - would they try to get out of paying any compensation by saying they never made the agreement and / or dissovle ACL and create a new company and also the outstanding loan. Can't see there being anyway CCC will let SISU take over, with their track record, without paying that off.
Think you will find that a lot of those who go to Sixfields do not want to be there ( a few exceptions), they want to be home at the Ricoh as much as the majority.
shmmeee
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From what I heard they wanted the council to cancel the loan as part of the deal. Let's hope any new talks are serious on both parts. Holding out for £113m is no less ridiculous than asking to be paid £9m to take it off their hands.
@Steve: surely you've not been assimilated by the Borg as well? Did you get a chance to ask/question anything?
I would add that he did confirm that if they ever did own the Ricoh or built a new stadium that it would be in a separate SISU company to CCFC.
shmmeee
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Was he asked about club debt, or the situation should Sisu sell up?
That was not brought up in the meeting, he discussed how things worked at Charlton and then something about the set up at Sheffield Utd.
italiahorse
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TF said "like Rotherham" and yesterday said it will cost £20M
Rotherham is a 12,000 seater that cost £20M (Familiar?)
TF said it will be expanded as necessary.
Rotherhams can be expand in steps to 16,000 then 20,000.
You make an educated guess !!
kingharvest
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It kind of annoys me that some people on here think those on the SCG are so naive.
I have only ever reported what was said in the meeting and left you all to discuss it and form opinions. I have an opinion which is probably the same as most that a stadium won't be built and that the only real solution is to be back at the Ricoh.
That said everyone thought they were bluffing with Northampton so I'm careful not to underestimate.
I don't think we are used as pawns - we should be there to talk about things we can actually influence but at the moment we can't possibly talk about anything other than the mess we find ourselves in.
People do challenge and question in the meetings and I think Steve does himself a disservice as he is excellent at pushing Tim Fisher on difficult topics.
At the moment, the SCG are one of the only lines of communication into the club from the fans and we only have a limited amount of time at meetings. We'll ask questions and can only report what were told.
I have only ever reported what was said in the meeting and left you all to discuss it and form opinions. I have an opinion which is probably the same as most that a stadium won't be built and that the only real solution is to be back at the Ricoh.
That said everyone thought they were bluffing with Northampton so I'm careful not to underestimate.
I don't think we are used as pawns - we should be there to talk about things we can actually influence but at the moment we can't possibly talk about anything other than the mess we find ourselves in.
People do challenge and question in the meetings and I think Steve does himself a disservice as he is excellent at pushing Tim Fisher on difficult topics.
At the moment, the SCG are one of the only lines of communication into the club from the fans and we only have a limited amount of time at meetings. We'll ask questions and can only report what were told.
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NorthernWisdom
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Snozz_is_god
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They were bluffing, but ACL called their bluff.
kingharvest
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eh? How does that even work? If ACL called their bluff we'd be at the Ricoh on a rental deal. But we're in Northampton.
NorthernWisdom
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Nope, the reaction to the SISU offer from Ken Taylor, council leader at the time, was that SISU's bid was 'derisory'.
