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  • Start date Aug 24, 2025
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #141
Attacking set pieces aren’t much better this season tbh, other than Torp hitting a pearler of course. Corners are painful.

I honestly think we just don’t have anyone in the building who can set out a defence.
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #142
SBT said:
I find that hard to believe given the scale of the clearout that did happen. If Williams is as toxic as you say he is, why wouldn’t he be first out of the door? Plenty of other more senior coaches were disposed of very quickly.
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I never said he was toxic at all , im suggesting hes not a great goalkeeper coach
 

DT-R

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #143
GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
I think the point about questioning Rushworth’s performance so far is valid. We can’t start using preseason friendlies for point scoring though surely
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If a striker scored a hat-full in pre-season, he'd be getting game time and plaudits because of it. So why can an error not be the reverse? Pre season or not, a fuck up, is a fuck up. It meant nothing, but is an indicator of the type of player he is.

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The Philosopher

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #144
chiefdave said:
People were desperate to get rid of Oggy as a coach as the keepers weren't improving enough. At least they weren't going backwards like we see now.

Far too early to write Rushworth off but at this point I'm glad our offer to buy him didn't get accepted. What is concerned is that we have had multiple keepers come in who have regressed under our coaching setup, in some cases to a significant level.
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I’m not claiming to be any kind of ITK but I was told by a credible party that Oggy’s stature within the club upset some of the SISU lanyard wearers and they were desperate to get rid of him to stamp their mark. The stalling block was the redundancy pay - transferred under TUPE so for a 60 year old with like 35 years service was a big chunk of change.

Maybe it became a Mexican stand off.

If my source is wrong - I apologise if someone knows better. Just what I was told.
 

GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #145
DT-R said:
If a striker scored a hat-full in pre-season, he'd be getting game time and plaudits because of it. So why can an error not be the reverse? Pre season or not, a fuck up, is a fuck up. It meant nothing, but is an indicator of the type of player he is.

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Yes, but if he was shite in the league matches noone would remember preseason. And vice versa. It’s literally a friendly. Shall we add simms goals against Forest Green when discussing his goal return for us?
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #146
SeaSeeEffCee said:
Thomas and Kitching have been at fault for just as many. Let’s start Jake Bidwell and Callum Perry against Norwich I reckon.
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We’re trying to spend 11m to replace that issue though.

Rushworth was the replacement.
GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
I think the point about questioning Rushworth’s performance so far is valid. We can’t start using preseason friendlies for point scoring though surely
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id agree with that. But it shows that the bollock up wasn’t a one off… it’s just became an every game thing

whatever we’ve financially spunked on this - because I bet the loan fee is significant, it’s too much
 
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SBT

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #147
Evo1883 said:
I never said he was toxic at all , im suggesting hes not a great goalkeeper coach
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His track record with us:

19/20 - Marosi (TOTY)
20/21 - Marosi/Wilson (meh)
21/22 - Moore (good)
22/23 - Wilson (TOTY, Golden Glove)
23/24 - Wilson (meh)/Collins (fine)
24/25 - Dovin (good)/Collins (awful)

There are some genuine stinkers and some genuine successes in there. All in all I struggle to see the evidence that he’s taking top quality keepers and turning them rotten, he’s been working almost exclusively with journeymen and you get what you pay for.
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #148
SBT said:
His track record with us:

19/20 - Marosi (TOTY)
20/21 - Marosi/Wilson (meh)
21/22 - Moore (good)
22/23 - Wilson (TOTY, Golden Glove)
23/24 - Wilson (meh)/Collins (fine)
24/25 - Dovin (good)/Collins (awful)

There are some genuine stinkers and some genuine successes in there. All in all I struggle to see the evidence that he’s taking top quality keepers and turning them rotten, he’s been working almost exclusively with journeymen and you get what you pay for.
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You've missed out Moore being awful and losing all his confidence there somehow and burge 18/19 was awful too
 
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SBT

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #149
Evo1883 said:
You've missed out Moore being awful and losing all his confidence there somehow and burge 18/19 was awful too
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Moore played three league games in the season you’re referring to and was supposedly going through personal issues, but maybe they were Williams’ fault, idk.

Williams didn’t join us until May 2019 fyi
 

The Philosopher

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #150
Trying to think of decent keepers we had under Oggy influence:??:?

Kirkland?
Westwood?
Joe Murphy?

Marosi (pre having his head kicked in)?

Genuinely don’t know how that stacks up because I also remember Fabian Debec. Scott Shearer. (Shudders).

Pile in. Who was / is the better GK coach?
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #151
SBT said:
Moore played three league games in the season you’re referring to and was supposedly going through personal issues, but maybe they were Williams’ fault, idk.

Williams didn’t join us until May 2019 fyi
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We can do better , probably for the best before he ruins rushworth like he did collins and Moore
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #152
DT-R said:
Who is in charge of the wall out of interest? Who positions/moves it?

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The keeper.

Unfortunately no one spotted the taker moving the ball a foot to the right to open up the angle (apart from Oggy!)
 
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SBT

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #153
Evo1883 said:
We can do better , probably for the best before he ruins rushworth like he did collins and Moore
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Did he ruin Collins? Or was he just a L1/Champ backup playing at a L1/Champ backup level?

As I said, if Williams was really capable of “ruining” players single handedly then he wouldn’t be here.
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #154
SBT said:
Did he ruin Collins? Or was he just a L1/Champ backup playing at a L1/Champ backup level?

As I said, if Williams was really capable of “ruining” players single handedly then he wouldn’t be here.
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All the evidence points towards him being underwhelming as a coach .. time for change
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #155
Evo1883 said:
We can do better , probably for the best before he ruins rushworth like he did collins and Moore
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Moore had some very significant personal issues going on tbf
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #156
PVA said:
Moore had some very significant personal issues going on tbf
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Ok fair enough

We need better though
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #157
Also worth mentioning wilson wasnt particularly great when called upon last season
 

The Philosopher

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #158
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Evo1883 said:
Also worth mentioning wilson wasnt particularly great when called upon last season
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I agree.

He’s a howler in him.

But I just think he is a bit more on his toes / vocal / spots a breakaway opportunity and bowls it out quick / does a bit of shithousery.

HAS A GOLDEN GLOVE TO HIS NAME.

Little things like that, you know….
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #159
The Philosopher said:
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I agree.

He’s a howler in him.

But I just think he is a bit more on his toes / vocal / spots a breakaway opportunity and bowls it out quick / does a bit of shithousery.

HAS A GOLDEN GLOVE TO HIS NAME.

Little things like that, you know….
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Yea he wasnt top of any of the goalkeeping stats that season his defence was superb infront of him .. he was and still is bang average
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #160
Evo1883 said:
Also worth mentioning wilson wasnt particularly great when called upon last season
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He should have saved the first on Tuesday night.

but the current goalkeeper can’t set a wall and has a cock up rate similar to Collins.

we need a better goalkeeper than Wilson but this current one is wasting a spot and whatever funds that could be put towards a better centre half

rushworth Also couldn’t get into the hull side that nearly got relegated last year
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #161
PVA said:
The keeper.

Unfortunately no one spotted the taker moving the ball a foot to the right to open up the angle (apart from Oggy!)
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He had the advantage of being up in the stand, of course. Even so, someone in the wall should have actually been paying attention.
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #162
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
He should have saved the first on Tuesday night.

but the current goalkeeper can’t set a wall and has a cock up rate similar to Collins.

we need a better goalkeeper than Wilson but this current one is wasting a spot and whatever funds that could be put towards a better centre half
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How has a keeper loved at Swansea and rated by Brighton so highly turned shit ? Its all very weird
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #163
The Philosopher said:
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I agree.

He’s a howler in him.

But I just think he is a bit more on his toes / vocal / spots a breakaway opportunity and bowls it out quick / does a bit of shithousery.

HAS A GOLDEN GLOVE TO HIS NAME.

Little things like that, you know….
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To be fair, his breakaway opportunity to the opposition inside his six-yard box in pre-season was a thing of beauty.
 

Jamesimus

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #164
Evo1883 said:
How has a keeper loved at Swansea and rated by Brighton so highly turned shit ? Its all very weird
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He hasn’t turned shit. He’s only just got his foot in the door and people get overly emotional and weird when we don’t win. People are losing their minds over centre halves giving away a free kick for crying out loud.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #165
Evo1883 said:
How has a keeper loved at Swansea and rated by Brighton so highly turned shit ? Its all very weird
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How did a striker that was loathed at Swansea become world class..
 
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SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #166
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
rushworth Also couldn’t get into the hull side that nearly got relegated last year
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He was injured.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #167
Jamesimus said:
He hasn’t turned shit. He’s only just got his foot in the door and people get overly emotional and weird when we don’t win. People are losing their minds over centre halves giving away a free kick for crying out loud.
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If Collins had started this season with this many howlers the fans would rightfully be going mental
 

The Philosopher

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #168
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
How did a striker that was loathed at Swansea become world class..
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This post wins the forum today.
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #169
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
How did a striker that was loathed at Swansea become world class..
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Yea its easy to see how players improve , but regression is generally not as expected at a young age
 

SkyBlue_Adam

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #170
Wilson is a clown. Rushworth hasn’t be great it has to be said

Every half decent chance we concede seems to go in..
 
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Shannerz

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #171
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
If Collins had started this season with this many howlers the fans would rightfully be going mental
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Yes, coming off a season of howlers.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #172
It’s not going to get easier either. We’ve got Norwich, Leicester and Birmingham coming up - all of which are going to put Rushworth under more pressure than the last 4 teams.

He desperately needs to get some confidence quickly becuase it becomes a lot more difficult when we don’t score 5 or 7 goals
 
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CovValleyBoy

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  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #173
Sick Boy said:
He's not been great but Rushworth is far superior to Wilson.
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Not yet I'm afraid. He looks bereft of confidence.
His positioning has been woeful.
"Could" attribute every goal conceded to Carl.
Except the Derby penalty. Didn't like his part in their 1st & 3rd...QPR & again particularly 2nd today.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #174
CovValleyBoy said:
Not yet I'm afraid. He looks bereft of confidence.
His positioning has been woeful.
"Could" attribute every goal conceded to Carl.
Except the Derby penalty. Didn't like his part in their 1st & 3rd...QPR & again particularly 2nd today.
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I think Lampard knows a thing or two more, sorry.
 

Fergusons_Beard

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 30, 2025
  • #175
Wilson was shit on Tuesday.

So no contest for me-has to be Rushworth but….

One conciliation is that we didn’t buy Rushworth…..


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