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  • Start date Oct 11, 2020
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tisza

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #141
jordan210 said:
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Bet it's not abandoned -just back behind closed doors until they sniff another opportunity
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #142
tisza said:
Bet it's not abandoned -just back behind closed doors until they sniff another opportunity
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Exactly. They just saw an opportunity with EFL clubs struggling to force it through. They won't just give up.

Parry has to go now you'd think.
 
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jordan210

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #143
It appears the other Prem clubs rejected it. But not 100% as multiple things being said
 

jordan210

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  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #144
 

MusicDating

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  • Oct 14, 2020
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David Squires on … Project Big Small-print selflessly saving English football

Our cartoonist on kindly venture-scorpions, football supermarkets and another PR PPV masterstroke
www.theguardian.com
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 14, 2020
  • #146
Let fans back in grounds. Use the floodgates to maximise ventilation under the stands and have an outer perimeter through which fans are admitted with a basic temp check undertaken at the gate.
 
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Colin Steins Smile

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  • Oct 15, 2020
  • #147
The big television revenues are currently with the Premier League, which gives our clubs bigger budgets than most clubs across Europe.
Why would you give up that advantage by entering into a super league that would increase the revenues to some of your competitors?
 

Hutch11

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2020
  • #148
How to help out the whole of the football pyramid

1% levy on all transfer fees, agents fees and signing on inducements.

Passed down to the EFL and grass roots .
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 17, 2020
  • #149
Thought this was interesting:

 
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tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2020
  • #150
fernandopartridge said:
Thought this was interesting:

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Comes as no surprise. It shows that (as suspected) the whole thing was a self-serving coup from a handful of greedy clubs.
Don't think the other members of the big 6 had actually worked out how big an advantage Utd and Liverpool would have on the individually sold games.
Was always obvious that the 25% was going to be of a diminished pot over a period of time.
Possible that the viewing figures of the few freetoair games encouraged big 6 of bigger streaming market out there.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2020
  • #151
fernandopartridge said:
Thought this was interesting:

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Eye watering differences in revenue per game there. You can see why this isn’t going to go away.
 

tisza

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  • Oct 18, 2020
  • #152
shmmeee said:
Eye watering differences in revenue per game there. You can see why this isn’t going to go away.
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The selling point of PL is that it is the most competitive League because mid & lower table sides get enough money to be relatively competitive. Start to reduce that level of competition and they end up with a Bundesliga,lá liga situation where income is heavily weighted to just 2 or 3 clubs and so less competitive and ultimately less appealing to a global market and so smaller TV contracts.
It's a continuation of the FFP situation and the impact of Champions League money across many European leagues where only 1 or 2 clubs are in contention every season due to their significant financial advantage that these 2 factors ensure every year.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 18, 2020
  • #153
tisza said:
The selling point of PL is that it is the most competitive League because mid & lower table sides get enough money to be relatively competitive. Start to reduce that level of competition and they end up with a Bundesliga,lá liga situation where income is heavily weighted to just 2 or 3 clubs and so less competitive and ultimately less appealing to a global market and so smaller TV contracts.
It's a continuation of the FFP situation and the impact of Champions League money across many European leagues where only 1 or 2 clubs are in contention every season due to their significant financial advantage that these 2 factors ensure every year.
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I think someone has to step up with some bollocks and tell the big clubs to get back in their box. Pool TV money and distribute it more fairly across the leagues. Champions League money, merchandise, pre season tours, and of course fuck off big stadiums with massive corporate sections can still give those clubs an advantage, there’s just a base level that ensures sensible competition and a viable pyramid.

But we’ve got the FA/EFL/PL so that ain’t gonna happen.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 18, 2020
  • #154
tisza said:
The selling point of PL is that it is the most competitive League because mid & lower table sides get enough money to be relatively competitive. Start to reduce that level of competition and they end up with a Bundesliga,lá liga situation where income is heavily weighted to just 2 or 3 clubs and so less competitive and ultimately less appealing to a global market and so smaller TV contracts.
It's a continuation of the FFP situation and the impact of Champions League money across many European leagues where only 1 or 2 clubs are in contention every season due to their significant financial advantage that these 2 factors ensure every year.
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Like I have said previously I have felt for a long time that the Champions League is the shadow European Super League, I mean there is a core of teams that qualify every year and essentially orient their season around it.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2020
  • #155
shmmeee said:
I think someone has to step up with some bollocks and tell the big clubs to get back in their box. Pool TV money and distribute it more fairly across the leagues. Champions League money, merchandise, pre season tours, and of course fuck off big stadiums with massive corporate sections can still give those clubs an advantage, there’s just a base level that ensures sensible competition and a viable pyramid.

But we’ve got the FA/EFL/PL so that ain’t gonna happen.
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The type of people who own all of these clubs are not in it for the good of the competition, so even without a supine set of governing bodies it'd be difficult to get any agreement on it. You can't help but feel a split is inevitable, with teams like Liverpool and United ending up as some touring franchise playing games all over the world against other major teams.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 18, 2020
  • #156
fernandopartridge said:
The type of people who own all of these clubs are not in it for the good of the competition, so even without a supine set of governing bodies it'd be difficult to get any agreement on it. You can't help but feel a split is inevitable, with teams like Liverpool and United ending up as some touring franchise playing games all over the world against other major teams.
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If that’s the case and they want to become Harlem Globe Trotters of football let them go quite frankly. Everton and Man City would likely see a resurgence. I don’t think they’ll have the pull outside of a competitive division. Without British crowds behind them either.

That’s what I mean by some bollocks. I genuinely don’t think their actual fans would go for it and without them the product is a lot less attractive. I don’t think players would want to become performing monkeys for money either. You’d end up with a Chinese/MLS situation where ageing stars and never have been a sign for the cash but serious players won’t touch them. It’d basically be International football as well and we all know that’s garbage.
 
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tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 18, 2020
  • #157
fernandopartridge said:
The type of people who own all of these clubs are not in it for the good of the competition, so even without a supine set of governing bodies it'd be difficult to get any agreement on it. You can't help but feel a split is inevitable, with teams like Liverpool and United ending up as some touring franchise playing games all over the world against other major teams.
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Of course the time freed up by fewer fixtures would be filled with these lucrative overseas friendlies. These clubs complain of tiredness then still whip players off to Australia/far east at the end of the season for cash games.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Oct 20, 2020
  • #158
Well well well. European Premier League.

European Premier League: Liverpool and Manchester United in talks for FIFA-backed tournament

Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City and Tottenham also candidates to join a new European Premier League, which is backed by a $6 billion (£4.6 billion) financing package
www.google.co.uk
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 20, 2020
  • #159
If they join it then surely they aren't then allowed in any English Competitions at all.

Let them all fuck off and maybe English Football can be sorted out a bit better without them.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 20, 2020
  • #160
Love how Sky describe it as a bombshell plot when in reality its something pretty much every football fan assumes will happen at some point.
 

SBAndy

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  • Oct 20, 2020
  • #161
Nick said:
If they join it then surely they aren't then allowed in any English Competitions at all.

Let them all fuck off and maybe English Football can be sorted out a bit better without them.
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Can’t imagine they give the shiniest of shits about not playing in the FA Cup.

I do agree though, if they leave we can look to have honest reform. Shut down the Premier League model and absorb it back into the Football League.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 20, 2020
  • #162
How lucrative would this really be? Quick google shows that apart from things like the final which they show free across multiple platforms including YouTube the viewing figures for Champions League on BT are pretty dismal, as low as 200K.

By comparison 2.7m watched Villa v Sheff Utd on Sky, hardly what you'd call one of the big games.

Let them go, and don't let them in other competitions like the FA Cup.
 

stay_up_skyblues

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2020
  • #163
Seems to be a league to run alongside existing domestic leagues, albeit with up to 30 matches for each participant.

European Premier League: Liverpool and Manchester United in talks for FIFA-backed tournament

Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City and Tottenham also candidates to join a new European Premier League, which is backed by a $6 billion (£4.6 billion) financing package
www.skysports.com
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2020
  • #164
The English FA should ban any team taking part in this from taking part in any competition it is regulator for. Fuck them.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 20, 2020
  • #165
I would piss myself if it meant they couldn't play in the domestic game because one of them is going to finish bottom and become a laughing stock.
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Oct 20, 2020
  • #166
If this happens, it will again be a showcase of how football is about giving money to the biggest clubs and screwing the rest.

If those big teams do it and it leads to the long term uncertainty for the rest of the teams/leagues they leave behind, they should be ashamed (although I'm sure they won't give a damn).
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2020
  • #167
stay_up_skyblues said:
Seems to be a league to run alongside existing domestic leagues, albeit with up to 30 matches for each participant.

European Premier League: Liverpool and Manchester United in talks for FIFA-backed tournament

Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City and Tottenham also candidates to join a new European Premier League, which is backed by a $6 billion (£4.6 billion) financing package
www.skysports.com
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Can't play in two full time leagues surely? They moan like hell there's too many fixtures now.
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Oct 20, 2020
  • #168
chiefdave said:
Can't play in two full time leagues surely? They moan like hell there's too many fixtures now.
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30 games (min) in this new league, 38 games in the EPL plus somewhere between 2-10 games in cups?

Ain't gonna happen.

They'd have to leave their member associations.

Reminds me of when Utd sacked off the FA Cup a few years back to play in the World Club Championship thing. The disdain for them then was huge. Imagine the average football fans reactions if 6 clubs say 'see ya, we're off for a large pay packet'?!
 

jordan210

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  • Oct 20, 2020
  • #169
Oh well let them leave the prem. If it goes tits up they have to start at the bottom of the football league and earn was back to the prem.
 
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Malaka

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  • Oct 20, 2020
  • #170
Fuck them, what they don't realise is that it's too expensive for away fans to follow. It will be shit having too few away fans.
 
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steve cooper

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  • Oct 20, 2020
  • #171
Their A team in the European Premier league, and their B team in the domestic league?
 

Paul Anthony

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  • Oct 20, 2020
  • #172
This has been floated around for so long, it's felt inevitable for years. Looks like Project Big Picture was certain clubs just testing the water.
 

stay_up_skyblues

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2020
  • #173
Realistically though, would the standard even be that great? Outside of Barca, Real, Atheltico and Bayern there would be a load of shite making up the numbers. As seen in the Champions League season in season out.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 20, 2020
  • #174
Malaka said:
Fuck them, what they don't realise is that it's too expensive for away fans to follow. It will be shit having too few away fans.
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Won't be a second thought for fans if they think they can make money. But it will impact on atmosphere which will ultimately impact the product on TV.

Look at some US sports where the distance & cost means away fans don't travel and the amount of work they have to do pumping music in, cheerleaders etc to try and get any atmosphere going.
 
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better days

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  • Oct 20, 2020
  • #175
Evil finance companies like JP Morgan behind it of course
The rest of us should have the bottle to tell Man U, Liverpool and any other greedy bastards who want to join to fuck off and don't spend a cent on whichever platform they sell their games on
 
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