There is a very ugly trait on this forum, and which seems to be getting worse, which is to take a statement or comment, add on a non sequitur or ad hominem, and direct anger and aggression at another poster.
If you look at my posts, I argued two points, one was whether the killer was mentally instable, and latched onto a meme that fuelled his hate, or, whether he was politically motivated. That seems to me to be a rational area of debate, and yet it just brings attacks and outrage.
In supporting the view that this was a man who was mentally instable, rather than politically motivated, I made reference to the fact that the posts on the incel site seemed to be motivated by the felt pressure to be a man (cause, individual feelings) with the effect of misogyny, rather than misogyny itself being the originating cause. I then get a barrage of posts with a non sequitur, about the 'pressure of being a man', as if I was arguing that point that simply making an observation of what the posters were saying, and towards the point I have made above.
That's all, a position of debate over whether this was 'politically motivated'. Yet, in common with so many posts here, before you know it I'm defending the guy, and otherwise subject to other's misplaced anger.
I don't do social media other than this forum, but I'm now seeing posts from people who I thought were, yes a little edgy, but fair and reasonable. I've always been socially naive. and I see I have been equally naive about this particular social media.
I think I’d want to review any firearm licences given back to violent people!Is it an individual any more than say a lone wolf Islamist fundamentalist going around killing people then killing themselves? Is there no longer a threat from them because the individual that carried out the attack is dead?
The Incel movement seems to have entrenched his views and helped him become radicalised. Is that much different to Islamic fundamentalism?
I mean, that’s worth a laugh, but let’s not get into that. There’s plenty of non white incels
We do have this discussion each time. When is a terror filled incident not terrorism. Think we probably need to start to look at the idealism as a thing and work needs to be done on what moves someone from being a dick to stabbing and shooting strangers and your mumIt does make you wonder how the incident would be viewed if he were not white though? I reckon we'd be hearing a lot more about 'radicalised' and 'terror' if he wasn't.
There is a very ugly trait on this forum, and which seems to be getting worse, which is to take a statement or comment, add on a non sequitur or ad hominem, and direct anger and aggression at another poster.
If you look at my posts, I argued two points, one was whether the killer was mentally instable, and latched onto a meme that fuelled his hate, or, whether he was politically motivated. That seems to me to be a rational area of debate, and yet it just brings attacks and outrage.
In supporting the view that this was a man who was mentally instable, rather than politically motivated, I made reference to the fact that the posts on the incel site seemed to be motivated by the felt pressure to be a man (cause, individual feelings) with the effect of misogyny, rather than misogyny itself being the originating cause. I then get a barrage of posts with a non sequitur, about the 'pressure of being a man', as if I was arguing that point that simply making an observation of what the posters were saying, and towards the point I have made above.
That's all, a position of debate over whether this was 'politically motivated'. Yet, in common with so many posts here, before you know it I'm defending the guy, and otherwise subject to other's misplaced anger.
I don't do social media other than this forum, but I'm now seeing posts from people who I thought were, yes a little edgy, but fair and reasonable. I've always been socially naive. and I see I have been equally naive about this particular social media.
Could be that teachers tend to be women and are in a position of authority. Kind of thing that seem to really annoy these people.why’s he on about teachers in particular?
It's a horrible thing to debate. With this one though, where the perpetrator seems to be linked to a certain ideology it seems strange to dismiss the terrorism link. It might be the newness of this particular brand of dickhead and I expect it will be retrospectively changed to an act of terror.We do have this discussion each time. When is a terror filled incident not terrorism. Think we probably need to start to look at the idealism as a thing and work needs to be done on what moves someone from being a dick to stabbing and shooting strangers and your mum
That’s where I am tooIt's a horrible thing to debate. With this one though, where the perpetrator seems to be linked to a certain ideology it seems strange to dismiss the terrorism link. It might be the newness of this particular brand of dickhead and I expect it will be retrospectively changed to an act of terror.
There is a very ugly trait on this forum, and which seems to be getting worse, which is to take a statement or comment, add on a non sequitur or ad hominem, and direct anger and aggression at another poster.
If you look at my posts, I argued two points, one was whether the killer was mentally instable, and latched onto a meme that fuelled his hate, or, whether he was politically motivated. That seems to me to be a rational area of debate, and yet it just brings attacks and outrage.
In supporting the view that this was a man who was mentally instable, rather than politically motivated, I made reference to the fact that the posts on the incel site seemed to be motivated by the felt pressure to be a man (cause, individual feelings) with the effect of misogyny, rather than misogyny itself being the originating cause. I then get a barrage of posts with a non sequitur, about the 'pressure of being a man', as if I was arguing that point that simply making an observation of what the posters were saying, and towards the point I have made above.
That's all, a position of debate over whether this was 'politically motivated'. Yet, in common with so many posts here, before you know it I'm defending the guy, and otherwise subject to other's misplaced anger.
I don't do social media other than this forum, but I'm now seeing posts from people who I thought were, yes a little edgy, but fair and reasonable. I've always been socially naive. and I see I have been equally naive about this particular social media.
You weren't being attacked, I was questioning your point of view.
It sounded to me like you were close to defending the guy.
I think the points you made would be relevant in a general debate about male mental health but not in relationship to this argument, just my opinion of course but I see its now come to light that the police have foiled two other planned incel attacks in this country so this lone madman argument really doesn't hold water.
WTAF.Who's this?
Yep it’s quite a leap to say he did this for some warped reasons about his disrespect for women to then say they have to take some of the blame for his murders and his suicide. MmmmWTAF.
Not really. Blame the woman is embedded in patriarchal societies like ours. The list is endless but start with "she was asking for it", "she provoked me", nagging wives etc in relation to sexual and domestic violence.Yep it’s quite a leap to say he did this for some warped reasons about his disrespect for women to then say they have to take some of the blame for his murders and his suicide. Mmmm
I don't get how or why he was allowed to have a shotgun
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