Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
Last time I looked party members got a vote to choose between the 2 contestants who polled highest in ballot of MP's.
But Leadsom dropped out leaving only May in the hat, so no vote was needed.
Only the parliamentary members get a vote not party members.
It does, however, show how the Conservative Party are better drilled to get the most appropriate candidate. Sure, it's a choice for party members, but it's a choice that's moderated by the parliamentary party. If Labour did that, we'd have had Burnham v Cooper I guess. Whether that would have been better or worse for them, I guess we'll never know...Last time I looked party members got a vote to choose between the 2 contestants who polled highest in ballot of MP's.
But Leadsom dropped out leaving only May in the hat, so no vote was needed.
Well as I said, I'm not going to sully this thread beyond getting sucked in by the panto villian now and again. Let'sface it, the same circles have been going ad infinitum.
That being said, even Grendel accepts Corbyn had a great election campaign... maybe it's focussing on the positive, rather than the constant attempts to belittle that did it. Unfortunately, the latter works more often than not, but it'd be nice to think that will change, and it will become more about what people can do to help.
I still don't really know what the current government will do in terms of a grand plan. I see some bits and bobs. Whether I agree with them or not is not the issue, more the lack of a long-term strategy. I guess (tbf) whether you agreed with it or not, both Thatcher and Blair were able to set that out.
You are funny sometimes.Corbyn had a great election. I myself changed my vote from Tory to Labour, voting labour for only the second time in my life (the first being Tony Blair’s first election) and had planned to vote Tory again this time (as per my usual/default vote) right up until the point I read both manifestos. I found myself in entire dissatisfaction and disagreement with the Tory manifesto and largely in agreement with the Labour manifesto. Much to my surprise. In the end I voted neither with my heart or my head, I voted with my conscience. Something I don’t regret and actually feel a little proud of myself for taking my time to read the manifestos and change my vote. As it stands I’m voting labour next time as well. Again with a clear conscience.
You are funny sometimes.
So you are a Tory. You love the EU and want to stay in it. You voted for Corbyn last time and will vote for him again as your conscience will be clear. Yet Corbyn has always wanted out of the EU.
We’re leaving the EU nothing is going to change that. You have to resign to that fact at some point and a general election is as good as a point as any, the best point probably.
So when it came to it Labour had a vision, a plan and a costed explanation of how they attended to achieve it. The Tories had none of that. In fact if you didn’t know better you’d think it was labour who had called the snap election and the tories had been caught by surprise. Even on the subject of brexit labour had a clear vision, the tories on the other hand didn’t and that shows in negotiations. Davis and the government are having rings ran around them because they didn’t have a vision for brexit so therefore couldn’t secure a mandate for what brexit means and what shape it will take. The incompetence is remarkable and I for one am glad I didn’t vote for the shower of shit running the country. I’d be as embarrassed as fuck if I did. We’re going to end up with a make do brexit from a make do government.
So the cats out the bag here, your last sentence agrees entirely with me but in the EU thread you make out it was expected and realistic brexit. So is it “realistic” brexit or “make do”? You can’t have it both ways.
Brexiteers like you aren’t happy with it, you’re the ones casting negativity over it not remainers, we’re getting the brexit that most of us anticipated. Our “negativity” was actually reality, a reality that you’re taking very negatively it has to be said.
Your negativity is reality?
There has been no reality from the remain mob. Just like there has been no reality from the leave mob.
You have shown the same mentality as the remain mob. You have not wanted to listen to a word of positivity. You have gone on the attack against anyone showing the slightest positivity. You have gone on the attack against anyone not saying enough against May.
You have said that a deal must be made. You have said we.must pay what is owed. Now the numbers are coming out you have changed direction yet again as it suits your plan of attack.
It could be looked at in a different way. It is going to cost us about 4 to 5 years of net payments to leave. Yes this shows us that it costs a lot of money to have a massive trade deficit. But you will make a comment against this.
So now we will have to see what sort of deal is offered.
There is positivity and then there is a total bias which is well past positivity. Because of your circumstances you are much closer to the last one.I remember some posters attacking me for being positive about the EU, no names mentioned though.
There is positivity and then there is a total bias which is well past positivity. Because of your circumstances you are much closer to the last one.
Your negativity is reality?
No it was just reality. People didn’t like what remainers were saying so labelled it negativity.
We’re leaving the EU nothing is going to change that. You have to resign to that fact at some point and a general election is as good as a point as any, the best point probably.
So when it came to it Labour had a vision, a plan and a costed explanation of how they attended to achieve it. The Tories had none of that. In fact if you didn’t know better you’d think it was labour who had called the snap election and the tories had been caught by surprise. Even on the subject of brexit labour had a clear vision, the tories on the other hand didn’t and that shows in negotiations. Davis and the government are having rings ran around them because they didn’t have a vision for brexit so therefore couldn’t secure a mandate for what brexit means and what shape it will take. The incompetence is remarkable and I for one am glad I didn’t vote for the shower of shit running the country. I’d be as embarrassed as fuck if I did. We’re going to end up with a make do brexit from a make do government.
I don't think they costed it, at least not on remotely valid assumptions they didn't.
but that has been my argument all along, they did cost it, that is a fact. The tories didn't, that is a fact.
Your comment about valid assumptions is subjective so that's a criticism that people are totally entitled to hold about their projections.
Do you trust John McDonnell to get his sums right?
More than I trust Dianne Abbott :smuggrin:Do you trust John McDonnell to get his sums right?
Do you trust John McDonnell to get his sums right?
Do you trust John McDonnell to get his sums right?
Meanwhile an intellectual giant....
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is that the most important part of this story for you?
Not the fact that the majority of survivors haven't been rehoused.
Not the fact that sprinkler systems haven't been installed in more tower blocks but the opportunity to snigger at Diane Abbots dodgy grammar.
is that the most important part of this story for you?
Not the fact that the majority of survivors haven't been rehoused.
Not the fact that sprinkler systems haven't been installed in more tower blocks but the opportunity to snigger at Diane Abbots dodgy grammar.
One day hopefully most people will realise that most politicians don't give a fuck about us. It is all about them and what is best for them.
What a surprise. Your normal utter crap.Bit of a sweeping unsubstantiated statement. Do you think Grieve putting the amendment forward knowing that there would be the usual lynch mob mentality on the front page of the Mail which resulted in abuse and death threats, was just about him?
You played down the Mail‘s vicious attack on democracy and conveniently didn’t see the front page of the paper edition.
Surprisingly enough your post follows their line though.
What a surprise. Your normal utter crap.
So are you now saying that most MP's give a fuck about us? Isn't it strange that you disagree with everything I say.
As I said I google what is going on. I couldn't tell you the front page of any paper. Yesterday I posted a link to the Mail that wasn't anti EU. Why didn't you comment on that? Is it because it doesn't fit in with your agenda against me or the Mail?
An event to celebrate the turning of a once proudly secular, forward thinking society, into a medieval theocracy. It's like banning toilet paper and then holding a celebration for the day we all went back to wiping are arses with stinging nettles.
and while we're at it how about a bit of Jezza on Iran
Bizarre that Corbyn would be an advocate of the Islamic revolution. Religion and Socialism aren't easy bedfellows.An event to celebrate the turning of a once proudly secular, forward thinking society, into a medieval theocracy. It's like banning toilet paper and then holding a celebration for the day we all went back to wiping are arses with stinging nettles.
I know, perhaps he missed this bit? .....Religion is one of the forms of spiritual oppression which everywhere weighs down heavily upon the masses of the people, over burdened by their perpetual work for others, by want and isolation. Impotence of the exploited classes in their struggle against the exploiters just as inevitably gives rise to the belief in a better life after death as impotence of the savage in his battle with nature gives rise to belief in gods, devils, miracles, and the like. Those who toil and live in want all their lives are taught by religion to be submissive and patient while here on earth, and to take comfort in the hope of a heavenly reward. But those who live by the labour of others are taught by religion to practise charity while on earth, thus offering them a very cheap way of justifying their entire existence as exploiters and selling them at a moderate price tickets to well-being in heaven. Religion is opium for the people. Religion is a sort of spiritual booze, in which the slaves of capital drown their human image, their demand for a life more or less worthy of man.Bizarre that Corbyn would be an advocate of the Islamic revolution. Religion and Socialism aren't easy bedfellows.
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Bizarre that Corbyn would be an advocate of the Islamic revolution. Religion and Socialism aren't easy bedfellows.
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Bizarre that Corbyn would be an advocate of the Islamic revolution. Religion and Socialism aren't easy bedfellows.
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