Otis
Well-Known Member
Exactly.
Exactly.It would be heroic depending on circumstances before he then went on to commit a horrific crime. We’re not communicating in the same language
Well more may be dead if he hadn’t been on day release. That’s such a moral maze isn’t it?
Very true. Although this labelling doesn’t help anyone. It means someone can look at a man risking his life to save others on a Friday afternoon and not recognise it for what it wasWell if he’s been hanged another murderer wouldn’t have received hero status Pete
I am always so disturbed by the notion that innocent people would be hanged, or killed by whatever method was chosen. It has happened before and would happen again.Well if he’s been hanged another murderer wouldn’t have received hero status Pete
I am always so disturbed by the notion that innocent people would be hanged, or killed by whatever method was chosen. It has happened before and would happen again.
I always think how would I feel if that was a relative of mine and they were wrongly convicted and executed.
How would you feel if your daughters throat slit?I am always so disturbed by the notion that innocent people would be hanged, or killed by whatever method was chosen. It has happened before and would happen again.
I always think how would I feel if that was a relative of mine and they were wrongly convicted and executed.
How would you feel if your daughters throat slit?
How do you think I would feel? Completely devastated.How would you feel if your daughters throat slit?
Sick to the stomach. This has been an issue debated and debated throughout the ages.Well two people were wrongly murdered and how would you feel if they were your relatives?
Sick to the stomach. This has been an issue debated and debated throughout the ages.
We bring back capitol punishment, innocent people are going be killed by the state.
You are missing the point instead of admitting you are wrong. No one is doubting the act he did ydayHow do you think I would feel? Completely devastated.
You are getting away from the point though. We are talking about this one, single, isolated event yesterday.
The guy yesterday seemingly acted heroically.
Ha.You are missing the point instead of admitting you are wrong. No one is doubting the act he did yday
Dont call him a hero though . I made up a scenario for terrorist and you refused to call him a hero cos you see how dumb it is
Just apologise and move on. Actually you dont even need to apologise. Just learn from this and move on
No idea. One would be one too many.How many miscarriages of Justice have their been in the last decade which would have meant the death penalty
You are getting bogged down by one single word.You are missing the point instead of admitting you are wrong. No one is doubting the act he did yday
Dont call him a hero though . I made up a scenario for terrorist and you refused to call him a hero cos you see how dumb it is
Just apologise and move on. Actually you dont even need to apologise. Just learn from this and move on
How many miscarriages of Justice have their been in the last decade which would have meant the death penalty
No idea. One would be one too many.
Seems justice was served yesterday though by the brave people and police at London Bridge and I am very grateful for that.
A conservative study from the USA found that at least 4% of its executed inmates were innocent. This figure does include the 1.6% who were correctly released before the sentence was carried out but even so shows that innocent people will be killed by the state in a small number of cases.
US death row study: 4% of defendants sentenced to die are innocent
How many miscarriages of Justice have their been in the last decade which would have meant the death penalty
How many miscarriages of Justice have their been in the last decade which would have meant the death penalty
How many were terrorists?
It's a tough one and one that does trouble me greatly.None for breach of the terrorist act - why should people have to risk their lives for a creep who should be dead anyway?
It's a tough one and one that does trouble me greatly.
Thing is with many of these terrorists, they seem happy to die anyway, so it doesn't work from the deterrent angle.
Bottom line is, this scumbag shouldn't have been released.
Well we don't know yet because we've yet to know how many will be overturned in future.
But just a few months ago Sean Hodgson had his murder conviction quashed for a crime 40 years ago. He'd had been long dead.
Other high profile cases are the Birmingham Six and Barry George. Although I can't put names to them there have been several cases of women convicted of murdering their children that have been overturned. Derek Bentley is a famous one who was actually executed. I remember some years ago a guy had his conviction quashed after almost 30 years for murdering a girl in a churchyard. And these are just off the top of my head and I'm not a student of law or interested in wrongful convictions.
That is the even bigger danger with terrorists - you risk making them a martyr and are providing ammo for the recruiters to say how the state is anti-islam or whatever.
Your original question
Your changed goalpost now
No my first response to a typical leftie apologist NW was to point out this should be for terrorists
Ok so u r saying it balances outYou are getting bogged down by one single word.
heroic
/hɪˈrəʊɪk/
adjective
- 1.
having the characteristics of a hero or heroine.
Bullshit. You moved the goalposts.
It's also a very skewed idea that the death penalty should be reserved for terrorists. And going back to my original point of miscarriages of justice the Birmingham Six still apply
I am sure I answered that already.Ok so u r saying it balances out
So would the terrorist be a hero in my scenario?
Yes or no
Here.If it was a heroic thing he did, he would be a hero for that one instance yes, if he risked all to save someone's life.
You are looking at it too globally, as if in saying he is a hero for this, he is a hero in anything and everything.
What I said makes perfect sense.
We need to look at this one incident in isolation for what this man did yesterday.
Ahh a hero for one dayHere.
A single heroic act.Ahh a hero for one day
I am sure a marvel movie will be made soon for shmeee
How many were terrorists?
Changed alot from hes a heroA single heroic act.
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