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Hamer vs Walsh (1 Viewer)

  • Thread starter cc84cov
  • Start date Sep 26, 2020
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Who’s your man

  • Hamer

    Votes: 118 80.3%
  • Walsh

    Votes: 29 19.7%

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Londonccfcfan

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  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #106
shmmeee said:
Well last season on stats alone I think Sheaf wins it.
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Really, surprised about that which stats?
 

edgy

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #107
Londonccfcfan said:
Hamer only has 2.5 years left on his current contract.

He needs an improved contract ASAP before seasons out. Rolling 3 year contract would be nice.

Imagine if he gets some sort of long term injury next season. Would mean only a year left on his contract. Cant afford him to run out his contract. Hes too valuable an asset.
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Have you got Contract Tourettes?
 

Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #108
PVA said:
They're as alike as Hamer and Walsh are.
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You're right in a way, shouldn't really be comparing them 2 either but Hamer was at least brought in to replace Walsh's creativity.

Sheaf is a deeper lying midfield player, breaking up play & getting the team moving forward. Was one of the best in League 1 in his role.
 

Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #109
Londonccfcfan said:
Really, surprised about that which stats?
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Quite a lot...

As I said, different strengths & weaknesses as completely different types of player.

Bear in mind Sheaf was in a weaker team too.

 
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cov donkey kick

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #110
Hamer for me, because he's playing great. However why isn't Walsh playing for Bristol as the only way they know he's good enough is play him. For Walsh losing the manager Johnson seems to have pushed him back in the pecking order. A real strange one and who knows we still may sign him at some point.
 

cc84cov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #111
Not shocked with them stats and Hamer is doing it in a level above
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #112
cov donkey kick said:
Hamer for me, because he's playing great. However why isn't Walsh playing for Bristol as the only way they know he's good enough is play him. For Walsh losing the manager Johnson seems to have pushed him back in the pecking order. A real strange one and who knows we still may sign him at some point.
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HE.IS.INJURED.

Mr Walsh hurty no football
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #113
Londonccfcfan said:
Really, surprised about that which stats?
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Sheaf was near the top for his position in L1 last season.

Have a look here, Walsh not even mentioned

Data Analysis: Finding the best central midfielders in League One

More often than not, successful teams at any level have a talented midfield player capable of making major contributions consistently. This rings true in the
totalfootballanalysis.com
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #114
Frostie said:
Quite a lot...

As I said, different strengths & weaknesses as completely different types of player.

Bear in mind Sheaf was in a weaker team too.

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Does kind of highlight that “Sheaf or Walsh” is the wrong question as opposed to “Hamer or Walsh” and also “Sheaf or Kelly”
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #115
PVA said:
Lee Johnson said that Bristol City's in house analytics/scouting team had Walsh as the second best midfielder in League One last season.
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You got a source? Best I can find is this that says 3-6 depending on the stat:Man in the middle - How Bristol City can get the best out of Liam Walsh
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #116
Frostie said:
Totally different players.
How about
Walsh vs Godden or
Walsh vs Marosi?
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if Walsh and Sheaf are totally different players then so are Walsh and Hamer so we may as well close thread.

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Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #117
stupot07 said:
Walsh and Hamer are also different players.

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Agreed. That's why I said

Frostie said:
You're right in a way, shouldn't really be comparing them 2 either
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Happy_Martian

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #118
shmmeee said:
Sheaf was near the top for his position in L1 last season.

Have a look here, Walsh not even mentioned

Data Analysis: Finding the best central midfielders in League One

More often than not, successful teams at any level have a talented midfield player capable of making major contributions consistently. This rings true in the
totalfootballanalysis.com
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The text of the second paragraph explains why.... " look at the midfielders competing in League 1 for 2020/21 campaign ". Walshy isn't in League 1 this season.

And this....

" When considering the clubs involved, it is strictly the clubs who are in League 1 for 2020/21 – 19/20 clubs who were promoted or relegated from the division are excluded, but close who came down from the Championship, and up from League 2, are included. "

And I have no idea why Sheaf was included in the analysis as this goes against their previous statements.
 
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stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #119
Frostie said:
Agreed. That's why I said
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As did I. Lol


stupot07 said:
They are very different players. I dont think you can compare.

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Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #120
Happy_Martian said:
The text of the second paragraph explains why.... " look at the midfielders competing in League 1 for 2020/21 campaign ". Walshy isn't in League 1 this season.

And this....

" When considering the clubs involved, it is strictly the clubs who are in League 1 for 2020/21 – 19/20 clubs who were promoted or relegated from the division are excluded, but close who came down from the Championship, and up from League 2, are included. "

And I have no idea why Sheaf was included in the analysis as this goes against their previous statements.
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No, they mean the club i.e. Doncaster are still in League 1 rather than the player.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #121
Happy_Martian said:
The text of the second paragraph explains why.... " look at the midfielders competing in League 1 for 2020/21 campaign ". Walshy isn't in League 1 this season.

And this....

" When considering the clubs involved, it is strictly the clubs who are in League 1 for 2020/21 – 19/20 clubs who were promoted or relegated from the division are excluded, but close who came down from the Championship, and up from League 2, are included. "

And I have no idea why Sheaf was included in the analysis as this goes against their previous statements.
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Missed that. Cheers
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #122
Frostie said:
No, they mean the club i.e. Doncaster are still in League 1 rather than the player.
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Still doesn't get away from the fact they are analyzing Sheaf playing in League 1 for 20/21 season (his name appears on several of their charts) when he's not even at Doncaster any more, a point they did make towards the start.
 

Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #123
Happy_Martian said:
Still doesn't get away from the fact they are analyzing Sheaf playing in League 1 for 20/21 season (his name appears on several of their charts) when he's not even at Doncaster any more, a point they did make towards the start.
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It is a bit of a weird one but the stats for all are from 19/20. It's so that they have a full season's worth of data - the bigger the dataset the better of course.
From our perspective though it does show how good Sheaf was last season, far too good for League 1 & why we made him a top target.
 

cc84cov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #124
Anyone still doubting Hamer ?
 

NortonSkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #125
cc84cov said:
Anyone still doubting Hamer ?
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Doubting no but let’s be honest Millwall have been very poor. Where has Hamer been in the last month? Hiding in plain sight
 
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cc84cov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #126
riyadhskyblue said:
Doubting no but let’s be honest Millwall have been very poor. Where has Hamer been in the last month? Hiding in plain sight
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They haven’t played for 2 weeks should be fresh their also stil above us in the league also hence havinf 2 games in hand

is hamer joint top scorer now too ?
 

Danceswithhorses

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #127
Hamer is already starting to pick up a few headlines here and there, as our best player.
Surely MR and his assistant will be thinking this as well.
Got to try and keep him super happy at Cov, so that when the inevitable time comes, we can maximise the transfer fee.
 
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SeaSeeEffCee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #128
riyadhskyblue said:
Doubting no but let’s be honest Millwall have been very poor. Where has Hamer been in the last month? Hiding in plain sight
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lol
 
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Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #129
Very good today, played it a bit simpler rather than his 100 miles per hour of last couple of games & ball retention improved massively as a result.
 
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covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #130
I warned against making early predictions but now it's Jan and there is no doubt hamer is the better player

But like i always say I still want Walsh here too! Tiki taka yo the prem!
 
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cc84cov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #131
This lad will go for big money,enjoy him while he’s here
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #132
Frostie said:
Very good today, played it a bit simpler rather than his 100 miles per hour of last couple of games & ball retention improved massively as a result.
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Seemed to have a bit of understanding with Sheaf as well, they were both closer together and interplay between them was lovely.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #133
fernandopartridge said:
Seemed to have a bit of understanding with Sheaf as well, they were both closer together and interplay between them was lovely.
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For me I've said it few months back I know Kelly adds steel and heart but passing wise sheaf and hamer is noticbly better
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #134
If you could have just put a bit of Mourinho as well as Wenger in Sheaf’s development he’s boss it
 

Frostie

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #135


 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #136
Buendia and Harvey Elliott stand out a mile there
 

mark82

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #137
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Buendia and Harvey Elliott stand out a mile there
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Buendia is miles above this level.
 

Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #138
mark82 said:
Buendia is miles above this level.
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Totally, can't believe Norwich kept him in the summer. Wouldn't be surprised if they keep him until next summer now too as can't see anyone paying the £40m they're asking for in January so he'll surely fire them to promotion. Fantastic player.

Harvey Elliott still only 17
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #139
mark82 said:
Buendia is miles above this level.
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If Hamer was playing for Norwich and Buendia for us, Hamer's stats would be above Buendia's. Just saying.
 
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  • Jan 5, 2021
  • #140
Sky Blue Harry H said:
If Hamer was playing for Norwich and Buendia for us, Hamer's stats would be above Buendia's. Just saying.
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He’d struggle to reach them stats sitting on the bench
 
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