fernandopartridge
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Completely agree on the last paragraph, much more walking, cycling and public transport is the answer long term
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Completely agree on the last paragraph, much more walking, cycling and public transport is the answer long termI presume a lot depends on what mileage is being done. I remember reading an article which suggested that an EV doesn’t start having a positive footprint compared to a new petrol until 40k miles due to higher emissions in production. I think this changes depending on how charging electricity is generated and obviously will vary by vehicle. There’s also battery replacement requirements in future
Don’t get me wrong my next car will no doubt be an EV and if I did more miles I’d probably have one already but I’ll continue with my 15 plate diesel until I’m banned from Birmingham centre as I only do 3-4K pa
I still wonder if EVs are the answer…we’ll probably be told in 5 years they’re worse for the planet ! The real solution is and always has been better public transport infrastructure and people reducing car use
I have a feeling EV's won't be seen as quite the answer they are now either, due to the batteries and the processes required in getting hold of the materials, but I guess at the moment it's solve the most pressing crisis first. With all the lithium are we going to see more people struggling to show emotion?I presume a lot depends on what mileage is being done. I remember reading an article which suggested that an EV doesn’t start having a positive footprint compared to a new petrol until 40k miles due to higher emissions in production. I think this changes depending on how charging electricity is generated and obviously will vary by vehicle. There’s also battery replacement requirements in future
Don’t get me wrong my next car will no doubt be an EV and if I did more miles I’d probably have one already but I’ll continue with my 15 plate diesel until I’m banned from Birmingham centre as I only do 3-4K pa
I still wonder if EVs are the answer…we’ll probably be told in 5 years they’re worse for the planet ! The real solution is and always has been better public transport infrastructure and people reducing car use
Whatever don’t get a PHEV
They're less economical on fuel over the long distances as the battery makes them heavier, although with range in electric being poor, I guess they compensate for that? What I don't know if if congestion zones that only let electric vehicles in count them as exempt. I suspect not!My had to look up what it is as I had no idea. What is the issue with that style please.
They're less economical on fuel over the long distances as the battery makes them heavier, although with range in electric being poor, I guess they compensate for that? What I don't know if if congestion zones that only let electric vehicles in count them as exempt. I suspect not!
Daughter has a mobility car it needs renewing lives in a small seaside village in Cornwall travelling up Exeter tomorrow to look for her next 1 don't know how they will sort her out as all the cars available are electric.There are no power points in village and probably no where to put 1 unless an arangement can be made with the owner of the car park ( a car park where you pay over £1000 a year have no guaranteed space) she lives in a "street" you cannot get a car within 100 yards of her house.Think it might be an interesting day
Just bought a cycle because I’m having to go back to the office about two days a week and want to ensure I get a workout in those two days.Completely agree on the last paragraph, much more walking, cycling and public transport is the answer long term
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Buying A New Car Is Greener Than Driving An Old One...Really
You've probably heard it at some point: A friend claims his older vehicle is far greener than the new car with much higher fuel economy you just bought That's because, he says, the old car didn't require all the energy and natural resources your car consumed as it was built. But is that older...www.greencarreports.com
And that’s comparing ICE to a more efficient ICE. An electric car payback would be less than a couple of years in all likelihood.
Says there 96% of a cars carbon footprint over its lifecycle is fuel related.
Buy an electric, self-charging hybrid, PHEV or ICE, whatever you want, but do more research than Grendel has before you do.
I have just bought a PHEV with a real world range of 50 miles. I can charge at home, drive to work on pure electric, charge on my employer's charging network and drive home again, on electric only. No fossil fuel emissions during my commute (other than what it takes to generate the electricity). My particular make keeps some of its charge in reserve so it behaves like a self-charging hybrid once the pure EV range has run out, giving in excess of 60mpg.
It also does 0-60 in under 6 seconds.
From that article:-
"According to this data-set the lifetime emissions of a plug-in hybrid average around 28 tonnes of CO2.
By comparison, the average petrol or diesel car is estimated to emit between 39 and 41 tonnes of CO2 from fuel during its lifetime, a conventional hybrid would typically emit more like 33 tonnes."
So still far less lifetime CO2 produced than ICE, you'll note. Sure, it ain't carbon zero, but i am trying to do my bit.
The motor industry were quoted in that BBC article as believing the data were already 2 years out of date and that technology of PHEVs had moved on. That was 2 years ago, and yet more advances have been made.
And yes, a lot of my commute is extra-urban, but the range of mine allows me to do all of it without emitting any CO2. If i am going on a longer journey, i have the option of saving some battery power so that if i am in an urban environment at the end of the drive, i can maintain its air quality by using EV only.
I'm happy with the choices i have made.
A lot of the studies cited are from places with a much dirtier grid than us as well. It’s clearly nuts to claim keeping ICE is better for the environment. As I said before if you accept you’re going to have to replace all the cars anyway then there’s clearly no benefit in waiting around for a few more years.
You got proper ripped off there!Anyway, back to the subject of fuel prices ...
Friday in Warwick Road, Kenilworth, both the Shell and Texaco were selling E10 at £179.9. Today in Evesham, Tesco are still at £187.9.
I understand someone influential has asked the Competition & Markets Authority to investigate the supermarkets who appear to be profiteering by not reducing their prices as quickly as the independents and franchises, unlike previous practices.
Anyone know what Tesco at Cannon Park are charging today?
All cars aren’t in reality going to be replaced anyway are they?
Damn those pesky decimal points!!You got proper ripped off there!
I don’t see why people would drive a more expensive car which ICE will be once EV is standard. I’d expect by 2050 you won’t see ICE outside of hobbyists.
It will take at least 20 years for the parc to be fully replaced.
I in all probability will replace my vehicle with a diesel in 2025 when the contract is up. As things stand it’s £17,000 cheaper than a hybrid version of the same car and by then they will be looking to dispose if those models
Either way I can’t see how there won’t be at least 20,000 fuel cars on the road by 2040
I think if somethings driven by 0.05% of people that’s a pretty hobbyist pursuit. And not something there’ll be nationwide infrastructure to support. You’re talking around the level, or just below, of stamp collectors.
Unless there's some serious help for poorer areas of society, it can't be anyway.I think your misunderstanding my point
There is a view that electrification will mean a rapid transition it won’t. Even the most wildly optimistic scenario would be by 2040 over half of vehicles on the road in the UK will be electric unless people just give up driving altogether.
When you factor in battery life as well it makes it less likely still
I don’t know if the eu ever went ahead with the PHEV threat. I don’t think they did so those cars can still be produced until 2030 if that’s correct
Some people think the transition will be rapid. It won’t be
Unless there's some serious help for poorer areas of society, it can't be anyway.
What will force change mind you is congestion zones like Oxford's, that seems to charge everything apart from an exclusively electric car.
(I'd still rather they developed hydrogen etc mind you!)
You'd have to get that bus, and return to further up this thread on a loop.Or it will just force people to be poorer while money is made by the councils on the additional charges every day to go to work.
If they charged £8 a day to drive in Coventry I wouldn't be able to magic an electric car up.
You'd have to get that bus, and return to further up this thread on a loop.
I think they might just notice that my ageing diesel isn't electric, when it's parked in the car park!Or just fake plates.
It's a bit bonkers - my PHEV is perfectly capable of driving into Oxford on electric only, but doesn't qualify for a discount, so is classified as an "ultra-low emission vehicle". A Citroen PHEV i was interested in emits a light signal to ULEZ cameras to indicate when it is running in EV mode. Nothing to stop you switching back to petrol when you are past the cameras, which is i guess what they are afraid of. Oh, and to make more money!You'd have to get that bus, and return to further up this thread on a loop.
Actually, tbf Oxford is not a bad example of how to do things going forward, as there's a lorra lorra park and ride around the city, and the train goes right into the centre.
Unless there's some serious help for poorer areas of society, it can't be anyway.
What will force change mind you is congestion zones like Oxford's, that seems to charge everything apart from an exclusively electric car.
(I'd still rather they developed hydrogen etc mind you!)
So where's the money going to come from to buy an electric car then, if none are available for £500?I don’t see why the poorer would need help to buy something cheaper TBH.
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