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Happy_Martian

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #421
steve cooper said:
It reminds me of funny things my mother used to say.
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"You fall out of that tree and break both your legs, don't come running to me !"
 
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slyblue57

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #422
Irish Sky Blue said:
What would be the plan if Wasps don’t collapse because I don’t see that this is something that is certain to happen? What happens If Wasps collapse but then are saved by some financial white knight charging to their rescue? We are marooned in another city. We need to be back in Coventry as soon as possible. Any other scenario would not be financially sustainable for long. Clive Eakin on the phone in on Friday said that he believed the rent at St Andrews was double that at the Ricoh. Higher rent, less income, not a recipe for long term stability.
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If we ve got to believe what Eakin says we re fucked are you sure he was talking about Coventry City or maybe Colchester or any other team beginning with a C .
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #423
Irish Sky Blue said:
What would be the plan if Wasps don’t collapse because I don’t see that this is something that is certain to happen? What happens If Wasps collapse but then are saved by some financial white knight charging to their rescue? We are marooned in another city. We need to be back in Coventry as soon as possible. Any other scenario would not be financially sustainable for long. Clive Eakin on the phone in on Friday said that he believed the rent at St Andrews was double that at the Ricoh. Higher rent, less income, not a recipe for long term stability.
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This. Aside from anything else I want us to stand on our own two feet not be some sad twisted entity hanging on for someone else’s failure. People seem obsessed with tying our future to Wasps. The opposite of love isn’t hate guys, it’s indifference.
 
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Irish Sky Blue

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #424
slyblue57 said:
If we ve got to believe what Eakin says we re fucked are you sure he was talking about Coventry City or maybe Colchester or any other team beginning with a C .
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I'd sooner trust what Eakin says than what someone on here may have heard down the pub.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #425
mr_monkey said:
Sponsorship means nothing if their bond holders refuses to negate their payments
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If I was a bond holder, I would accept what they're being asked.

I'd be seeing the options as getting little now, or potentially something in the future, and I'd be recognising these were exceptional times.

I'm not saying everybody will think the same, but I'd be surprised, given the circumstances, if bond holders weren't quite... flexible atm.

(And yes, I'd like to be surprised, but I'd see that as hope above reason)
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #426
Irish Sky Blue said:
What would be the plan if Wasps don’t collapse because I don’t see that this is something that is certain to happen? What happens If Wasps collapse but then are saved by some financial white knight charging to their rescue? We are marooned in another city. We need to be back in Coventry as soon as possible. Any other scenario would not be financially sustainable for long. Clive Eakin on the phone in on Friday said that he believed the rent at St Andrews was double that at the Ricoh. Higher rent, less income, not a recipe for long term stability.
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Eakin wouldn’t know though but it makes a good story that Sisu chose to play away
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #427
Deleted member 5849 said:
If I was a bond holder, I would accept what they're being asked.

I'd be seeing the options as getting little now, or potentially something in the future, and I'd be recognising these were exceptional times.

I'm not saying everybody will think the same, but I'd be surprised, given the circumstances, if bond holders weren't quite... flexible atm.

(And yes, I'd like to be surprised, but I'd see that as hope above reason)
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It’s nothing to do with negating payments anyway
 

pipkin73

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #428
Irish Sky Blue said:
What would be the plan if Wasps don’t collapse because I don’t see that this is something that is certain to happen? What happens If Wasps collapse but then are saved by some financial white knight charging to their rescue? We are marooned in another city. We need to be back in Coventry as soon as possible. Any other scenario would not be financially sustainable for long. Clive Eakin on the phone in on Friday said that he believed the rent at St Andrews was double that at the Ricoh. Higher rent, less income, not a recipe for long term stability.
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From what i remember reading, we are paying a higher rent but we are getting more for our money. At SA we are getting more money from food and beverage and car parking etc... Plus we are allowed in earlier on a match day. From what i remember reading, at the Ricoh we were allowed in about 2 hours before KO and had to be out 1 hour after the game but at SA we can arrive early for a game and are given fair time after the game to leave. Think MR said something like we get the match day rather than a few hours.
 
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fatso

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #429
Irish Sky Blue said:
What would be the plan if Wasps don’t collapse because I don’t see that this is something that is certain to happen? What happens If Wasps collapse but then are saved by some financial white knight charging to their rescue? We are marooned in another city. We need to be back in Coventry as soon as possible. Any other scenario would not be financially sustainable for long. Clive Eakin on the phone in on Friday said that he believed the rent at St Andrews was double that at the Ricoh. Higher rent, less income, not a recipe for long term stability.
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Its selling players that is sustaining us, not gate receipts, and as such, we are in a better position than many other clubs. Our business plan centres on developing young players, and generating income from them.

Our best plan for a return to Cov (imho) is to wait for Wasps financial position to deteriorate until they either, 1, go bust or 2, need a business partner to share costs.
That would allow us part ownership of the Ricoh and subsequent part access to match day revenues.
I dont see any white knight on the horizon looking to piss money up the wall on a business that is hemorrhaging money at an alarming rate.

Personally I dont feel we need to be back in Coventry any time soon, unless it is on our terms. A premature return would leave us in exactly the same situation that existed before our departure to Birmingham, and what exactly would that achieve?
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #430
pipkin73 said:
From what i remember reading, we are paying a higher rent but we are getting more for our money. At SA we are getting more money from food and beverage and car parking etc... Plus we are allowed in earlier on a match day. From what i remember reading, at the Ricoh we were allowed in about 2 hours before KO and had to be out 1 hour after the game but at SA we can arrive early for a game and are given fair time after the game to leave. Think MR said something like we get the match day rather than a few hours.
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Revenues from f and b are low profit. Also i doubt Seppalla saw COVID coming before signing. The hard reality is we’d have in a normal season massive more revenue in Coventry than Birmingham and the shrewd businesswoman said no
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #431
Irish Sky Blue said:
Clive Eakin on the phone in on Friday said that he believed the rent at St Andrews was double that at the Ricoh. Higher rent, less income, not a recipe for long term stability.
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Eakin believes WASPS a better deal - shock revelation
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #432
Grendel said:
Revenues from f and b are low profit. Also i doubt Seppalla saw COVID coming before signing. The hard reality is we’d have in a normal season massive more revenue in Coventry than Birmingham and the shrewd businesswoman said no
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Revenues from. F and B would be higher if a large percentage was not going to Franchisees linked to retail loans
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #433
Grendel said:
Revenues from f and b are low profit. Also i doubt Seppalla saw COVID coming before signing. The hard reality is we’d have in a normal season massive more revenue in Coventry than Birmingham and the shrewd businesswoman said no
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In the summer, it was feasible a lot of the of the 2020/21 would be played behind closed doors and at reduced capacities if the doors are allowed open. Maybe it played a part in the negotiation stance, maybe not.

It goes without saying I obviously agree that remaining in Birmingham is unsustainable. From a commercial POV, The only saving grace this season might actually be COVID as we’d be operating at attendances similar to last season at St Andrews or the RICOH.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #434
Grendel said:
Revenues from f and b are low profit. Also i doubt Seppalla saw COVID coming before signing. The hard reality is we’d have in a normal season massive more revenue in Coventry than Birmingham and the shrewd businesswoman said no
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If that's true why was so much made about the F&B income? It eventually got trotted out as the main sticking point in the negotiations and from the sounds of it you'd think it was the difference between us going bust or not.
 

slyblue57

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #435
London Franchise Wasps want us back at the white elephant stadium for one reason only :
a new sponser for the stadium, CCFC being back there will get them one.pusb
 
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Irish Sky Blue

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #436
pipkin73 said:
From what i remember reading, we are paying a higher rent but we are getting more for our money. At SA we are getting more money from food and beverage and car parking etc... Plus we are allowed in earlier on a match day. From what i remember reading, at the Ricoh we were allowed in about 2 hours before KO and had to be out 1 hour after the game but at SA we can arrive early for a game and are given fair time after the game to leave. Think MR said something like we get the match day rather than a few hours.
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That's food and beverages from an average gate of 5 or 6k. last season. Gates at the Ricoh, particularly with many teams potentially selling out the away end, would be massively up on that. In a normal season we would be hugely down on revenue playing in Birmingham.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #437
slyblue57 said:
London Franchise Wasps want us back at the white elephant stadium for one reason only :
a new sponser for the stadium, CCFC being back there will get them one.pusb
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Ricoh sponsorship ran out 2015. We've played at the stadium since then. No new sponsor.

I admit that now being a Championship team increases the potential likelihood of a sponsor but I doubt there's a swath of companies wanting to put their name on a building where the two teams involved are in a constant war, esp where the bigger draw of the two may end up leaving in the foreseeable future because their owners are constantly talking about building their own stadium.
 
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Irish Sky Blue

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #438
fatso said:
Its selling players that is sustaining us, not gate receipts, and as such, we are in a better position than many other clubs. Our business plan centres on developing young players, and generating income from them.

Our best plan for a return to Cov (imho) is to wait for Wasps financial position to deteriorate until they either, 1, go bust or 2, need a business partner to share costs.
That would allow us part ownership of the Ricoh and subsequent part access to match day revenues.
I dont see any white knight on the horizon looking to piss money up the wall on a business that is hemorrhaging money at an alarming rate.

Personally I dont feel we need to be back in Coventry any time soon, unless it is on our terms. A premature return would leave us in exactly the same situation that existed before our departure to Birmingham, and what exactly would that achieve?
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How long would you wait for Wasps to go bust? A year? Five years? Ten?
I would ask again. What is plan B if Wasps don't go bust? You seem to say that our only strategy we need, one that is costing us millions in lost revenue, is to wait for another company to go out of business
At a conservative estimate gates at the Ricoh would be at least 50% more than St Andrews. Do you really think we can just right off the massive extra revenue this would provide?
Irrespective of all of this, Coventry City needs to play in our own city.
 
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Irish Sky Blue

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #439
oldfiver said:
Eakin believes WASPS a better deal - shock revelation
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I would think Eakin has more reliable sources than Wasps. There would be a lot of BBC connections at the Birmingham end. (Radio WM etc)
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #440
Irish Sky Blue said:
I would think Eakin has more reliable sources than Wasps. There would be a lot of BBC connections at the Birmingham end. (Radio WM etc)
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Then he should use them!
 
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mr_monkey

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #441
Irish Sky Blue said:
I would think Eakin has more reliable sources than Wasps. There would be a lot of BBC connections at the Birmingham end. (Radio WM etc)
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Eakin literally knows fuck all and will just be peddling whatever he is told to by his employers... His "information" about the indemnity clause is proof of that
 
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Magwitch

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #442
Anyone waiting for Wasps to fold so ccfc can snatch back the Ricoh will have a long wait. We need to negotiate the best deal possible and as soon as possible, if sisu decide to build a new ground fine but we need a ground in Cov asap
 
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Irish Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #443
mr_monkey said:
Eakin literally knows fuck all and will just be peddling whatever he is told to by his employers... His "information" about the indemnity clause is proof of that
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You know that for a fact?
I would think his circle of professional acquaintances would be far more 'in the know' than most posters on here.
 

Irish Sky Blue

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #444
oldfiver said:
Then he should use them!
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How do you know he hasn't?
 

mr_monkey

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #445
Irish Sky Blue said:
You know that for a fact?
I would think his circle of professional acquaintances would be far more 'in the know' than most posters on here.
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The fact that he live on radio a number of times misinformed the public about reasons why we aren't at the Ricoh (to the point that posters from here went onto the radio to correct him) speaks volumes for where he gets his "info" from....
 
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Magwitch

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #446
Another thing to take into account is Wasp main man Richardson is a successful multi-millionaire and he isn’t going to just sit back and allow an asset such as the Ricoh become available for a company such as sisu to just move in and nick it, steps will be taken long before to prevent that.
 

mr_monkey

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #447
Magwitch said:
Another thing to take into account is Wasp main man Richardson is a successful multi-millionaire and he isn’t going to just sit back and allow an asset such as the Ricoh become available for a company such as sisu to just move in and nick it, steps will be taken long before to prevent that.
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You do realise that a "company such as sisu" is the same sort of company that owns wasps don't you
 
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higgs

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  • Oct 11, 2020
  • #448
If wasps are distressed could sisu be interested in acquiring a distressed wasps?

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Magwitch

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #449
mr_monkey said:
You do realise that a "company such as sisu" is the same sort of company that owns wasps don't you
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Big business is harsh to say the least I’m not really interested in Wasps, what they do or how they do it I’m just pointing out to some on here who might think Wasps possible demise doesn’t necessarily mean the Ricoh Arena is up for grabs I’m certain things will be in place to prevent that from happening, possibly all ready is.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #450
Magwitch said:
I’m certain things will be in place to prevent that from happening, possibly all ready is.
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Sale Sharks ? (post Cov-id of course)

If Wasps go, it'll be CCFC. Think it'll come down to an agreement, as Wasps will be completely buggered financially without an adjustment to their short term/long term planning. Mexican stand off otherwise, which will hurt both parties - a race to the bottom.
 

mark82

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #451
Irish Sky Blue said:
How do you know he hasn't?
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Because he's wrong.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #452
higgs said:
If wasps are distressed could sisu be interested in acquiring a distressed wasps?

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And do what with them?

They would still be having to deal with the Council. I cannot see that ever working!
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #453
Irish Sky Blue said:
How do you know he hasn't?
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I suppose there is an argument to say he knows the correct facts but prefers not to use them?
 

Tommo1993

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #454
Not sure why SISU would be interested in acquiring Wasps. We’re seeing right now the lack of support Rugby has, and the precarious (understatement) state it’s in.
 

Brylowes

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  • Oct 12, 2020
  • #455
Covstu said:
I don’t follow love to see them lose but I have noticed that wasps seem to be smashing it this season. How have they gone from pure dog shit to class over 6 months? Have they spent a lot bringing in players and need to recoup?
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Is it because they’re playing on a pristine pitch ‘that resembles a smooth flat emerald oasis
ever since our cloggers upped-sticks for Brum
 
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