Do you want to discuss boring politics? (39 Viewers)

[SBAndy]

Someone needs to develop and convincingly present / promote an alternative vision without making those who need to change their stance feel that they are being patronise or having the wool pulled over their eyes. Starmer hasn’t got the oratory or commitment to do it. The persuasion skills or rhetoric in reality and every week that goes without some significant impact on the boat gangs him and his team are in a less convincing position.

We don’t agree on much but I think we do on this. The current government don’t seem capable of telling their story, regardless of what they’ve achieved (or, indeed in your view, not achieved).

The only issue is that people seem to feel expertise is elitist nonsense. I really don’t see how you persuade people who don’t want to be persuaded and won’t have it that someone knows more about a subject than them.

 

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[Captain Dart]

lick to see how reform cop emptying bins lol when they want to gut council spending

I think the main fiscal targets will be DEI and Climate expenditures. They may or may not make any difference and the unions will probably want to fuck them up.

 

[MalcSB]

We don’t agree on much but I think we do on this. The current government don’t seem capable of telling their story, regardless of what they’ve achieved (or, indeed in your view, not achieved).

The only issue is that people seem to feel expertise is elitist nonsense. I really don’t see how you persuade people who don’t want to be persuaded and won’t have it that someone knows more about a subject than them.

I’m not sure that the only issue is expertise being seen as elitist nonsense, an equal issue is surely the opposite view. I.e. th uneducated are neanderthals who adopt a right wing and racist philosophy to explain issues which concern them but seem beyond their ken to resolve.

The current government haven’t achieved enough to make them more appealing to whom they need to garner solid votes from which will be inherited from one generation to another (neither have the Tories). What appears to be a change in the nature of domestic political structures would suggest that the old approaches may need revision.

 

[MalcSB]

I think the main fiscal targets will be DEI and Climate expenditures. They may or may not make any difference and the unions will probably want to fuck them up.

Those priorities sound like personal wants and not necessarily priorities to address the concerns of the right wing “knuckle draggers”.

 

[shmmeee]

I think the main fiscal targets will be DEI and Climate expenditures. They may or may not make any difference and the unions will probably want to fuck them up.

EDI. We’re in the UK. If you’re going to import US politics at least translate it.

And the fact you haven’t even bothered to google what the impact of the policy you support is says it all. The impact, not that you care because this is about virtue signalling, ranges from 0% to 0.02% of council budgets. Just a fundamentally unserious policy. He should go back to demanding taxi drivers wear hats.

 

[Captain Dart]

Those priorities sound like personal wants and not necessarily priorities to address the concerns of the right wing “knuckle draggers”.

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Those priorities sound like personal wants and not necessarily priorities to address the concerns of the right wing “knuckle draggers”.

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I'd give up the remote mind reading young man you are shit at it. I got my clues from a statement Farage made earlier today.

 

[Captain Dart]

EDI. We’re in the UK. If you’re going to import US politics at least translate it.

And the fact you haven’t even bothered to google what the impact of the policy you support is says it all. The impact, not that you care because this is about virtue signalling, ranges from 0% to 0.02% of council budgets. Just a fundamentally unserious policy. He should go back to demanding taxi drivers wear hats.

Why should I? I have no influence on what happens. Weird.

 

[Sick Boy]

I'd give up the remote mind reading young man you are shit at it. I got my clues from a statement Farage made earlier today.

So he’s just parroting Trump and Americanisms. How patriotic.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The use of the word “charismatic” decimates UK left wing politicians from potential candidates for such a role.

How’s you?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Typical left!
You can't call me a hurty name but you're a racist, bigot, stupid, thick, uneducated!

Whether you like Donald Trump or not, to sit on a football forum and call him a "not very bright person" is fucking hilarious! He's a fucking billionaire businessman. Not sure many stoopid people manage to make $5b+ in business do they?


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You really don't help yourself do you?

Anyone who has paid even one iota of attention knows that Donald Trump has an inherited fortune and that had that money been put into a bank account with nominal interest he'd be far richer than he currently is. He's had numerous businesses go bankrupt (including casinos ffs!)

 

[Sick Boy]

Typical left!
You can't call me a hurty name but you're a racist, bigot, stupid, thick, uneducated!

Whether you like Donald Trump or not, to sit on a football forum and call him a "not very bright person" is fucking hilarious! He's a fucking billionaire businessman. Not sure many stoopid people manage to make $5b+ in business do they?


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He inherited hundreds of millions of Dollars ffs.

 

[Ashdown]

He inherited hundreds of millions of Dollars ffs.

Stop crying about politics and enjoy the win you daft c**t, you’re just an immigrant yourself!

 

[Sick Boy]

Stop crying about politics and enjoy the win you daft c**t, you’re just an immigrant yourself!

What?

 

[Captain Dart]

My god, what will Starmer's caring party do next? Their priorities are all wrong.

Child sexual abuse victims 'denied justice' after compensation scheme scrapped over cost

The governments in Scotland and Northern Ireland have set up compensation schemes and paid hundreds of millions of pounds to victims of child sexual abuse - but ministers admit that a similar programme for the rest of the UK has been shelved.

news.sky.com

 

[fernandopartridge]

UK agrees a trade deal with India.

Sounds broadly OK:

As part of the agreement, the UK and India will strike a double contribution convention under which Indian workers temporarily living in the UK will not have to pay national insurance contributions for three years. The same applies to British workers in India, and meets a key demand by Delhi.

 

[Ashdown]

How many ‘ British’ workers are in India and how many Indian workers are in the UK !?

 

[shmmeee]

We seem to always get proper shitty deals with India. All their citizens can vote here but we can vote there either. All their commonwealth stuff needs forgetting now, they should be treated as any other country.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

We seem to always get proper shitty deals with India. All their citizens can vote here but we can vote there either. All their commonwealth stuff needs forgetting now, they should be treated as any other country.

I think there is a lot to be said about outsourcing a lot of our business there as its cheaper too...

 

[Evo1883]

I just wish they would direct their justified ire at the right people.

It’s not the fault of economic migrants or asylum seekers - it’s the fault of those that run our country and believe that profit is more valuable than any other measure of human activity.

There’s nothing more unpatriotic than stripping a country bare in the pursuit of hoarding money.

I agree with you, but unfortunately when nobody seems to want to step up and do anything about it desperation sets in .

Let's be real here left right centre who cares , immigration levels are unsustainable at the moment arent they ? Towns have completely changed haven't they ?
British people are watching migrants get houses before them arent they ?
The national health is struggling isnt it ?


All of these things are creating this rise in right wing populism and if people cant see it then I dont know what to say .

This isnt migration to fill job roles is it , which would be fine , its a free for all

 

[Ashdown]

I agree with you, but unfortunately when nobody seems to want to step up and do anything about it desperation sets in .

Let's be real here left right centre who cares , immigration levels are unsustainable at the moment arent they ? Towns have completely changed haven't they ?
British people are watching migrants get houses before them arent they ?
The national health is struggling isnt it ?


All of these things are creating this rise in right wing populism and if people cant see it then I dont know what to say .

This isnt migration to fill job roles is it , which would be fine , its a free for all

Is it really right wing….I saw a great little ditty somewhere the other day that said I’m not far right, I’m just a concerned Grand parent

 

[Evo1883]

Is it really right wing….I saw a great little ditty somewhere the other day that said I’m not far right, I’m just a concerned Grand parent

There is ofcourse a difference between right wing and far right , its not far right to have concerns about immigration levels ... its been one of the top concerns of the general public for as long as I can remember

 

[Captain Dart]

I no longer hold with the idea of left wing & right wing, I just go with do I believe this is right, is it relatively inconsequential or is it bad. Turns out these days I seem to think most political activity is bad for people.

 

[Ian1779]

I agree with you, but unfortunately when nobody seems to want to step up and do anything about it desperation sets in .

Let's be real here left right centre who cares , immigration levels are unsustainable at the moment arent they ? Towns have completely changed haven't they ?
British people are watching migrants get houses before them arent they ?
The national health is struggling isnt it ?


All of these things are creating this rise in right wing populism and if people cant see it then I dont know what to say .

This isnt migration to fill job roles is it , which would be fine , its a free for all

I think what you say is absolutely true. I have mentioned before in this forum that when you try and palm off legitimate concerns you get a reaction of ‘fuck it what is the worst that can happen’ - Reform now run my local council (North Northamptonshire) so let’s see what they are going to do. Not sure the ‘stop the boats’ mantra will have much of an effect on this part of the world unless I’ve missed a huge Albanian contingent sailing up the Nene on narrow boats, so they had to now deliver for the people that put them into office.

What I will say, not necessarily as a counter point, is that stopping immigration won’t make my utilities cheaper, or pay a decent wage. It won’t make it more affordable for my kids to go to Uni or get on the housing market. These are just as important issues in the gradual decline in our country. I want to hear what political parties are going to about these things, and not just the immigration rhetoric that floods the news.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think what you say is absolutely true. I have mentioned before in this forum that when you try and palm off legitimate concerns you get a reaction of ‘fuck it what is the worst that can happen’ - Reform now run my local council (North Northamptonshire) so let’s see what they are going to do. Not sure the ‘stop the boats’ mantra will have much of an effect on this part of the world unless I’ve missed a huge Albanian contingent sailing up the Nene on narrow boats, so they had to now deliver for the people that put them into office.

What I will say, not necessarily as a counter point, is that stopping immigration won’t make my utilities cheaper, or pay a decent wage. It won’t make it more affordable for my kids to go to Uni or get on the housing market. These are just as important issues in the gradual decline in our country. I want to hear what political parties are going to about these things, and not just the immigration rhetoric that floods the news.

Industries were ripped out of various heartlands, not replaced with anything, and the far right seized their opportunity. It took the pride and prosperity out of vast swathes of the country, our city is a great example.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I think what you say is absolutely true. I have mentioned before in this forum that when you try and palm off legitimate concerns you get a reaction of ‘fuck it what is the worst that can happen’ - Reform now run my local council (North Northamptonshire) so let’s see what they are going to do. Not sure the ‘stop the boats’ mantra will have much of an effect on this part of the world unless I’ve missed a huge Albanian contingent sailing up the Nene on narrow boats, so they had to now deliver for the people that put them into office.

What I will say, not necessarily as a counter point, is that stopping immigration won’t make my utilities cheaper, or pay a decent wage. It won’t make it more affordable for my kids to go to Uni or get on the housing market. These are just as important issues in the gradual decline in our country. I want to hear what political parties are going to about these things, and not just the immigration rhetoric that floods the news.

36000 of them in 2024

 

[The Philosopher]

Yeah I’m sure the stories of him going to a private school and actually not really liking pints and it’s all for show are just stories planted by the woke mainstream media to discredit our Nige.

I can confirm that Nigel does like a pint, having partaken with him on several occasions.

I’ve had several one on one convo’s with him and can say that the bloke is very clued up geopolitically, has a good grasp of economics, history, law, social diversity etc. To call him stupid or racist or a charlatan is quite ridiculous.

I’ve met and debated and swapped ideas with countless Labour MP’s and MEP’s - never met one with a clue about anything. All of them identikit clowns with a chip on their shoulder

I’m a Tory. To be honest there’s not much gravitas in our ranks atm. I’ve met Kemi, indeed I endorsed her to be leader. She’s not cutting through yet. Penny M would have been a good leader as too would Miriam Cates, but alas both out of office now.

Nigel connects far better and makes them all like 6th form debate participants. Unfortunately.

To be fair, I got on well with Clegg, decent bloke who was more suited to the Tories at the time.

These people who go slegging Farage without knowing any real facts about the guy are a bit sad.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I can confirm that Nigel does like a pint, having partaken with him on several occasions.

I’ve had several one on one convo’s with him and can say that the bloke is very clued up geopolitically, has a good grasp of economics, history, law, social diversity etc. To call him stupid or racist or a charlatan is quite ridiculous.

I’ve met and debated and swapped ideas with countless Labour MP’s and MEP’s - never met one with a clue about anything. All of them identikit clowns with a chip on their shoulder

I’m a Tory. To be honest there’s not much gravitas in our ranks atm. I’ve met Kemi, indeed I endorsed her to be leader. She’s not cutting through yet. Penny M would have been a good leader as too would Miriam Cates, but alas both out of office now.

Nigel connects far better and makes them all like 6th form debate participants. Unfortunately.

To be fair, I got on well with Clegg, decent bloke who was more suited to the Tories at the time.

These people who go slegging Farage without knowing any real facts about the guy are a bit sad.

Dog whistle politics
Talks a good game
Doesn’t give two shits about the damage he’s done

 

[fernandopartridge]

I agree with you, but unfortunately when nobody seems to want to step up and do anything about it desperation sets in .

Let's be real here left right centre who cares , immigration levels are unsustainable at the moment arent they ? Towns have completely changed haven't they ?
British people are watching migrants get houses before them arent they ?
The national health is struggling isnt it ?


All of these things are creating this rise in right wing populism and if people cant see it then I dont know what to say .

This isnt migration to fill job roles is it , which would be fine , its a free for all

Do migrants get priority for housing, genuinely? I don't know. I do know that we have not built any public housing on any meaningful scale for 35 years which has led to an absolute scarcity of supply vs demand.

Is the NHS struggling because of migration? The biggest driver of hospital use for non-elderly population is deprivation, this coincides quite often with ethnicity but is not exclusive to ethnicity. Somebody aged between 1 and 4 is twice as likely to be referred to a consultant if they live in the most deprived decile than somebody in the least deprived decile. By the time people reach their 20s, it is nearly 3 times the likelihood. Where's the outcry? What are governments going to do about this? Some of it might be explained by the rise of personal insurance but it's unlikely.

There have been 15 years or more of governments telling the public the public realm has to look completely shit because they cannot afford otherwise, look at the bin strikes in Cov and now those in Birmingham, they could be solved in an instant but the government of the times was unwilling to do so. In spending on public services like health, a complete unwillingness to look reality in the face.

I don't have a position on whether immigration is too high or not, it feels high but I think like I've said above, everything feels a lot worse because of the context.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I can confirm that Nigel does like a pint, having partaken with him on several occasions.

What a pathetic name drop that was

 

[Sick Boy]

I’m a Tory.

....this week.

 

[Sick Boy]

What a pathetic name drop that was

The whole pint drinking thing in public for those easily taken in.

Nigel Farage drinks beer ‘to be seen with it’ and actually ‘prefers wine’

NIGEL FARAGE has been accused of faking his well-publicised love of beer to appear a “Man of the people”.

www.dailystar.co.uk

 

[fernandopartridge]

The whole pint drinking thing in public for those easily taken in.

Nigel Farage drinks beer ‘to be seen with it’ and actually ‘prefers wine’

NIGEL FARAGE has been accused of faking his well-publicised love of beer to appear a “Man of the people”.

www.dailystar.co.uk

 

[The Philosopher]

Industries were ripped out of various heartlands, not replaced with anything, and the far right seized their opportunity. It took the pride and prosperity out of vast swathes of the country, our city is a great example.

Various heartlands?

Let’s talk about the Coventry car industry - it’s poignant to this forum I suppose.

Was it opposing immigration that destroyed that or Labour backed unions and the politics of envy and entitlement coupled with EU law restricting protectionist measures and allowing manufacture to be taken to other EU nations where competition rules were broken (PSA)?

Or was it “dimwits” that didn’t get themselves into mega-debt studying pointless degrees at universities who now feel a sense of injustice at people who have contributed nothing getting what they see to be preferential treatment?

I didn’t write the script, I’m just reading the audience.

 

[The Philosopher]

To be fair, he did like a beer and a curry with his staff during lockdown. Was that worse than Boris having a bit of birthday cake?

Both as bad as each other?

One was forced to resign. One should resign for the good of the nation.

What is Beergate and why does it matter?

Keir Starmer having a beer and takeaway has potentially become a resigning matter after reopening of investigation

www.theguardian.com

 

[fernandopartridge]

Various heartlands?

Let’s talk about the Coventry car industry - it’s poignant to this forum I suppose.

Was it opposing immigration that destroyed that or Labour backed unions and the politics of envy and entitlement coupled with EU law restricting protectionist measures and allowing manufacture to be taken to other EU nations where competition rules were broken (PSA)?

Or was it “dimwits” that didn’t get themselves into mega-debt studying pointless degrees at universities who now feel a sense of injustice at people who have contributed nothing getting what they see to be preferential treatment?

I didn’t write the script, I’m just reading the audience.

No, it was making poor quality cars mostly