Do you want to discuss boring politics? (29 Viewers)

[mmttww]

I think we can do more , and I dont vote reform

I wouldn't care if you did, doesn't come into it. Labour and the Tories made a big show of talking about immigration to keep possible Reform voters onside. Just saying it's their agenda and they've got everyone dancing to that tune, which for me, is pointless. Rather someone just got the f*ck on with dealing with the underlying root causes.

 

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[Ian1779]

Long story short , how can people suggest migrants / refugees are not being housed first when entire new build housing areas are being taken up by them and they've not been here that long ?

The detail that we don’t know could be vital in answering the question.
Is the housing sold off to private landlords that will house migrants for a tidy sum from the local authorities?
What is the proportion of social housing in there - and what is the need or priority they are working on?
What schemes are in place to actively house young or new families and make these properties accessible?

I refer back to my comment earlier, you can build pop up estates of housing, but if English families can’t afford to buy, or gather a deposit then it’s going to be picked up by people that don’t care who lives in it if it turns a profit.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But in our lifetime the levels have become unsustainable and out of control , we allowed that to happen , so we can make it unhappen

Staying on the same path but trying to dig out of an ever filling grave isnt the answer

It’s not good for a country to rely so heavily on foreign labour. To change it though will mean a long term commitment to improving pay and working conditions while also giving more thought to state education and workplace training.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The immediate answer is to control how many people come here to such an extent it gives the country's infrastructure time to catch up whilst still allowing people here to work key jobs and learn

In an ideal situation yes, but the fact is if we did that then you're going to see the NHS collapse under the pressure and old and vulnerable people are going to not have the care and dignity they deserve because there will be nowhere near enough staff to care for them (there already isn't).

Like I say the only way you're going to have even half a chance of filling this jobs is to pay them a fuck ton more money. But then you've got the amount that's going to cost the taxpayer. Before even getting into the fact much of it is now becoming private sector who sure as hell aren't going to pay people more in the interest of profit margins.

There really is no easy answer and while you may talk about the Tories and Labour talking about immigration to talk tough and keep people away from Reform, people haven't realised Reform are pretty much exactly the same.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

They don't always, many developers get round those requirements in any case.

In my opinion the country needs to build estates of 100% houses at social rents at scale.

Trouble with that is that you tend to find those places end up being very very deprived and full of problems. Hence why they try and mix the social and owned houses so there is (in theory) more self regulation.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I wouldn't care if you did, doesn't come into it. Labour and the Tories made a big show of talking about immigration to keep possible Reform voters onside. Just saying it's their agenda and they've got everyone dancing to that tune, which for me, is pointless. Rather someone just got the f*ck on with dealing with the underlying root causes.

As I said above, Reform would likely be no different. Their last manifesto pretty much said as much. And if they did take any action none of it would be effective as they'd go for the easy targets, not the complex root causes.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The detail that we don’t know could be vital in answering the question.
Is the housing sold off to private landlords that will house migrants for a tidy sum from the local authorities?
What is the proportion of social housing in there - and what is the need or priority they are working on?
What schemes are in place to actively house young or new families and make these properties accessible?

I refer back to my comment earlier, you can build pop up estates of housing, but if English families can’t afford to buy, or gather a deposit then it’s going to be picked up by people that don’t care who lives in it if it turns a profit.

I think Brits also need to accept they themselves have been part of the problem.

Much of the social housing was sold off decades ago, but when those people have died/gone into care and the house gone on the market how many of the families of those people have cared about who that house got sold too? It's highest offer, and the people who are going to be able to offer the highest are those intending to use it for business purposes as they can whack the rents up to cover the extra outlay.

Around my nan's old area so many of the houses that were once full of owner occupiers with families have become private rents or even HMO's once those people have died. Those that inherit the house don't live there so why should they give a fuck - it's just a saleable asset to them.