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Ian1779 · May 4, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It isn't at all, but the fact Labour keep consistently getting rejected by the electorate should show that there is a really, really big problem. Especially when the opposition are a bunch of cunts that those people probably don't really want to vote for either.

We’ve had 4 elections in 11 years, with a hugely divisive referendum added to the mix. We’ve got a voting system that is no longer fit for purpose, a media that does not and will not hold the incumbent government to any kind of scrutiny. Add to that a major political party that failed to uphold the very basic notion of respecting democracy at the last election and here you have this basket case. If this was another country in the world peoples how would we perceive it?
We are stuck with the Tories for the foreseeable future because they got one thing right. Labour needs to champion PR and mandatory open selection, and get about forming some kind of alliance that will work together as a collective.

clint van damme · May 4, 2021

shmmeee said:
They have their most charismatic leader since Thatcher who has delivered two of the biggest voter priorities with huge approval ratings in two years. I cannot state enough just how unprecedented this is in politics.

We are very much in “I could shoot someone in Times Square” territory.

As I've said before Netanyahu struggled in Israel despite leading the world in vaccinating the population.
Thats what happens when you have an electorate that actually give a fu k about corruption.

shmmeee · May 4, 2021

Ian1779 said:
We’ve had 4 elections in 11 years, with a hugely divisive referendum added to the mix. We’ve got a voting system that is no longer fit for purpose, a media that does not and will not hold the incumbent government to any kind of scrutiny. Add to that a major political party that failed to uphold the very basic notion of respecting democracy at the last election and here you have this basket case. If this was another country in the world peoples how would we perceive it?
We are stuck with the Tories for the foreseeable future because they got one thing right. Labour needs to champion PR and mandatory open selection, and get about forming some kind of alliance that will work together as a collective.

With you all the way until the last sentence. PR is a wild goose chase: you’ve got to win under FPTP first and voters couldn’t give a shit about it. Open selection would just turbo charge all the internal bollocks that holds Labour back. If anything we need more central management of candidates and less member involvement, as much as that’s blasphemy in the party.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 4, 2021

clint van damme said:
But if you read the more recent pages of this thread no ones disputing it.
But pretty much every accusation, or something akin to it, can be thrown at tories but largely get ignored.

I think most people in the real world don't like either party very much. One is disliked more than the other and that's about it.

Brighton Sky Blue · May 4, 2021

Ian1779 said:
We’ve had 4 elections in 11 years, with a hugely divisive referendum added to the mix. We’ve got a voting system that is no longer fit for purpose, a media that does not and will not hold the incumbent government to any kind of scrutiny. Add to that a major political party that failed to uphold the very basic notion of respecting democracy at the last election and here you have this basket case. If this was another country in the world peoples how would we perceive it?
We are stuck with the Tories for the foreseeable future because they got one thing right. Labour needs to champion PR and mandatory open selection, and get about forming some kind of alliance that will work together as a collective.

Rejoin with the Lib Dems for a start

shmmeee · May 4, 2021

clint van damme said:
As I've said before Netanyahu struggled in Israel despite leading the world in vaccinating the population.
Thats what happens when you have an electorate that actually give a fu k about corruption.

Be honest though. It’s pretty lame corruption “oh I borrowed some money then paid it back for wallpaper”, hardly Netanyahu level is it?

shmmeee · May 4, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I think most people in the real world don't like either party very much. One is disliked more than the other and that's about it.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 4, 2021

shmmeee said:
@Earlsdon_Skyblue1 id be interested in hearing more detail from you TBF. What makes them a joke in your eyes? Not here to argue, just curious.

I'm not a Tory lover, which is a common misconception a lot of Labour supporters who think I am because I don't agree with their opinion. I could list shit about them too, but as you asked, I think the biggest failure with Labour are their politicians. They aren't desirable to a lot of people.

Ian1779 · May 4, 2021

shmmeee said:
With you all the way until the last sentence. PR is a wild goose chase: you’ve got to win under FPTP first and voters couldn’t give a shit about it. Open selection would just turbo charge all the internal bollocks that holds Labour back. If anything we need more central management of candidates and less member involvement, as much as that’s blasphemy in the party.

OK - but how do you get MP’s to be accountable? How many Labour MP’s are representative of the constituencies they hold. This careerist model which seems to exist is how we ended up with the ‘all as bad as each other’ notion. Peter Bone is my local MP - done fuck all for this constituency for as long as he’s been here, and yet will hold it until he retires or dies.

clint van damme · May 4, 2021

shmmeee said:
Be honest though. It’s pretty lame corruption “oh I borrowed some money then paid it back for wallpaper”, hardly Netanyahu level is it?

Track and trace 37 billion. (Your complaint goes to Dido Hardings husband)
Matt Hancocks locals landlord getting a multi million PPE contract.
Jenrick helping his mates back pocket 40 million in tax earmarked for one of London poorest boroughs.

Pretty lame corruption- nah.

Brighton Sky Blue · May 4, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I'm not a Tory lover, which is a common misconception a lot of Labour supporters who think I am because I don't agree with their opinion. I could list shit about them too, but as you asked, I think the biggest failure with Labour are their politicians. They aren't desirable to a lot of people.

Matt Hancock is about as undesirable as humanly possible.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 4, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Matt Hancock is about as undesirable as humanly possible.

I agree!

clint van damme · May 4, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Matt Hancock is about as undesirable as humanly possible.

If Im in a room with Hancock, Mogg and IDS and I've got a gun with two bullets, Hancock is walking out

shmmeee · May 4, 2021

clint van damme said:
If Im in a room with Hancock, Mogg and IDS and I've got a gun with two bullets, Hancock is walking out

Shoot Mogg twice to be sure.

fernandopartridge · May 4, 2021

skybluetony176 said:
Nandy would be the best leader for Labour. A clean candidate who opposed Corbyn but remained loyal to traditional Labour values. The Labour Party would be mad to not vote her the next leader.

She's an utter cretin

shmmeee · May 4, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
She's an utter cretin

They all are Fernando!

Question is: is she a winning cretin?

(Probably not no)

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 4, 2021

clint van damme said:
If Im in a room with Hancock, Mogg and IDS and I've got a gun with two bullets, Hancock is walking out

I would just shoot myself tbf!

SomersetSB · May 4, 2021

shmmeee said:
They all are Fernando!

Question is: is she a winning cretin?

(Probably not no)

Can you hear the drums Fernando?

Brighton Sky Blue · May 4, 2021

clint van damme said:
If Im in a room with Hancock, Mogg and IDS and I've got a gun with two bullets, Hancock is walking out

Evo1883 · May 4, 2021

One last thing , left right whatever .

Is there a bigger bellend on social media than Terry Christian, what a little wankstain

Ian1779 · May 4, 2021

clint van damme said:
If Im in a room with Hancock, Mogg and IDS and I've got a gun with two bullets, Hancock is walking out

IDS is so fucking cretinous - a man that celebrates winning a welfare sanctions vote like he’d just won the Champions Legaue. What a c**t.

Ian1779 · May 4, 2021

Evo1883 said:
One last thing , left right whatever .

Is there a bigger bellend on social media than Terry Christian, what a little wankstain

Laurence Fox?

Evo1883 · May 4, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:

That was worse than my daughter when I told her she couldn't have a tik tok account

shmmeee · May 4, 2021

A classic of the Labour comment genre: factually true, but electorally ignorant. This stuff cuts through.

Evo1883 · May 4, 2021

Ian1779 said:
Laurence Fox?

We could use both as political doorstops to tell you when you've gone too far either way

clint van damme · May 4, 2021

Evo1883 said:
We could use both as political doorstops to tell you you've gone too far either way

At least Terry Christian isn't standing in an election.
Laurence Fox is everywhere, which is incredible considering he's been 'cancelled'!

I dont see binface everywhere and he's beating him in the polls!

fernandopartridge · May 4, 2021

I'm going to vote for the Labour candidate in my County Council elections if I bother at all.

One reason is due to the utterly disingenuous Tory candidate (incumbent) who is campaigning about housebuilding on green belt, she's not mentioned her party in government are seeking to make this sort of thing much easier for developers.

Not to mention that there is a monument in my local park, and the self serving cow has had her own name engraved on it as the benefactor.

fernandopartridge · May 4, 2021

Evo1883 said:
One last thing , left right whatever .

Is there a bigger bellend on social media than Terry Christian, what a little wankstain

He's annoying on the Brexit stuff but occasionally makes some good points

Evo1883 · May 4, 2021

clint van damme said:
At least Terry Christian isn't standing in an election.
Laurence Fox is everywhere, which is incredible considering he's been 'cancelled'!

I dont see binface everywhere and he's beating him in the polls!

I'm no fan of Fox , he started off mild but has since gone full "the shining "

Terry Christian is just vile

Evo1883 · May 4, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
He's annoying on the Brexit stuff but occasionally makes some good points

He's OK if you agree with him , if you don't he's vile

fernandopartridge · May 4, 2021

shmmeee said:
A classic of the Labour comment genre: factually true, but electorally ignorant. This stuff cuts through.

Yes, tbf some labour councils do little to help themselves regardless of how constrained they are

Evo1883 · May 4, 2021

Also, there's alot of in Labour fighting isn't there .

Labour left v Labour centrists .

Needs sorting too , it's one party no ?

PVA · May 4, 2021

shmmeee said:
A classic of the Labour comment genre: factually true, but electorally ignorant. This stuff cuts through.

But he's some ex Labour bloke staffer, not even an MP, with 16k followers.

Why does that cut through more than the Prime Minister saying the working class are feckless criminals, chavs and losers?

Evo1883 · May 4, 2021

PVA said:
But he's some ex Labour bloke staffer, not even an MP, with 16k followers.

Why does that cut through more than the Prime Minister saying the working class are feckless criminals, chavs and losers?

But what about, but what about .

Labour had these people as voters and lost them , its on them to get them back ...simple as that

Pointless argument now

I've got football to watch then I'm going to give the missus the most average 2 minutes of her life afterwards.

clint van damme · May 4, 2021

Evo1883 said:
I'm no fan of Fox , he started off mild but has since gone full "the shining "

Terry Christian is just vile

I had a spat with him on twitter. He was ok. Think he realised that I was right. A few on here could take a leaf out of his book!

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