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shmmeee

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Michael Gove criticised foodbank users and said its there own fault for mismanaging their finances.
It keeps coming back to the samepoint, the criticisms of Labour are totally valid but I still can't understand why that makes the tories a more attractive proposition.

Any way, scandalous that people have to use foodbanks no matter who the government is, glad you're back on your feet.

Been brassic myself in the past but at least the benefit system enabled us to feed ourselves (that was under a tory government!)
Lots of people think that though about people slightly worse off than them. You’ve got to believe it’s a moral failing because then you not having to do it is a moral virtue.

It’s why the “scrounger” stuff plays so well. I’ve got a mate who smokes an eighth a day and won’t vote Labour because they might legalise weed and “a lot of people can’t handle it”.

People are fucking nuts.
 
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Evo1883

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But you just said nobody cares about those?
They would if the politicians ever talked about them , rather than get themselves involved in every single social movement , appealing to every fringe group rather than the Majority of the country.
 

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A while ago I put forward my personal policy preferences, mainly aimed at getting more cash into working people’s pockets. G said it was pointless as it wasn’t a vote winner and Evo says nobody reads the manifesto anyway.

So let’s just admit this is just a personality contest akin to Homer Simpson winning the election for ‘Garbage Commissioner’
 

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A while ago I put forward my personal policy preferences, mainly aimed at getting more cash into working people’s pockets. G said it was pointless as it wasn’t a vote winner and Evo says nobody reads the manifesto anyway.

So let’s just admit this is just a personality contest akin to Homer Simpson winning the election for ‘Garbage Commissioner’

Alot of people don't do they , even many Labour voters don't...like me most of the time , I'm proof of that
 

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A while ago I put forward my personal policy preferences, mainly aimed at getting more cash into working people’s pockets. G said it was pointless as it wasn’t a vote winner and Evo says nobody reads the manifesto anyway.
That's the frustrating thing. We're back to the unanswered why do people vote Conservative again. Plenty of reasons not to vote Labour are given but any points about policy or anything against the Conservatives and its dismissed as something people aren't interested in.

Not sure I buy that people are paying attention to everything that Labour do but happily ignore anything the Conservatives do. That just seems a long winded way of saying 'voters are stupid' which isn't a route I'm keen to go down.

Don't buy the Labour out voters off by saying they're stupid argument either when you're got things like Rees-Mogg going on the radio saying the victims of Grenfell only had themselves to blame for lacking common sense.
 
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I think people are getting a little carried away. These are strange times with the pandemic and politics can change very quickly. If Labour get rid of starmer after a year it would be crazy (same as if Tories try to push Johnson out - I can’t see an alternative election winning leader in waiting...although Gove probably thinks he is !) Elections are all about match ups, does a May beat Starmer, doubt it

Labour just need to be seen to be listening to their (historical) core base. If there isn’t much ‘levelling up’ in the North by the next election they can win a lot of this support back.

Also, Johnson has always got a fuck up in him so, as I say, things can change very quickly

Ps it will be interesting to see if the current independence polling in Scotland is reflected in Thursdays results.
 
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NorthernWisdom

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Can you honestly not see how Johnson is popular? Seriously?

I thought we all knew cunts like this who everyone loves for no reason *cough* my sales director *cough*
tbf, he's also why Labour aren't dead. At some point he'll self destruct, and if they pick the wrong uncharismatic buffoon, then people won;t forgive what they do now.

(Of course, each time I think we can't get a worse Tory PM, we do...!)
 

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I think people are getting a little carried away. These are strange times with the pandemic and politics can change very quickly. If Labour get rid of starmer after a year it would be crazy (same as if Tories try to push Johnson out - I can’t see an alternative election winning leader in waiting...although Gove probably thinks he is !) Elections are all about match ups, does a May beat Starmer, doubt it

Labour just need to be seen to be listening to their (historical) core base. If there isn’t much ‘levelling up’ in the North by the next election they can win a lot of this support back.

Also, Johnson has always got a fuck up in him so, as I say, things can change very quickly

Ps it will be interesting to see if the current independence polling in Scotland is reflected in Thursdays results.
I think Labour could well become the opposition party again assuming that Sarwar keeps his recent good work going
 

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But this argument doesn't stick when you consider Johnson's comments about the working class and that several members of the cabinet LITERALLY WROTE A BOOK slagging off the working class.

The double standards are ridiculous.
 

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Put it into people minds ...get people thinking ..otherwise you are just another politician .

You have resonate with people especially those you need to win
Corbyn was all about it, it made no difference.

My grandad was from a miner’s family in the NE, voted Labour his whole life despite ultimately becoming quite well off for most of it. His view was all around the idea that wealth in general should be more evenly shared and he was happy to pay a bit more in taxes as part of that. Then in 2019 that neck of the woods all goes Tory after having ruined the area economically and spending 10 years not investing in it.

Not going to lie I shed a tear when I saw those Co. Durham constituencies going blue and for Hartlepool to follow just makes me glad the old man isn’t around to see it. Such good people in that part of the world
 
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The only thing I’m holding on to is the hope that there’s some kind of critical mass of left wing people fucked off with the screaming children that are the modern online left and we have some kind of Kinnock V Militant scenario where they all get kicked out or shut up, can’t see it though.

Can’t see a centrist party breaking through either. I worry it’ll be racists Vs snowflakes for good. Somethings got to give surely? The vast majority of people aren’t like either extreme.
There are lots of good and decent people that get categorised into this group. People that want parity and fairness, the chance of a decent life for all. When did it become so ‘loony’ to want everyone to have the chance to get on the housing ladder (or have enough houses at the very least), have a properly funded NHS and Education system? I know America is a basket case that calls universal healthcare ‘communism’ but is this where we are descending towards?
 

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Corbyn was all about it, it made no difference.

My grandad was from a miner’s family in the NE, voted Labour his whole life despite ultimately becoming quite well off for most of it. His view was all around the idea that wealth in general should be more evenly shared and he was happy to pay a bit more in taxes as part of that. Then in 2019 that neck of the woods all goes Tory after having ruined the area economically and spending 10 years not investing in it.

Not going to lie I shed a tear when I saw those Co. Durham constituencies going blue and for Hartlepool to follow just makes me glad the old man isn’t around to see it. Such good people in that part of the world
For all his faults (and there were plenty) he did have a narrative that people wanted to listen to. Starmer would be in a stronger position if he didn’t try so hard to move away from some of his ideas.
 
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There are lots of good and decent people that get categorised into this group. People that want parity and fairness, the chance of a decent life for all. When did it become so ‘loony’ to want everyone to have the chance to get on the housing ladder (or have enough houses at the very least), have a properly funded NHS and Education system? I know America is a basket case that calls universal healthcare ‘communism’ but is this where we are descending towards?
It isn't at all, but the fact Labour keep consistently getting rejected by the electorate should show that there is a really, really big problem. Especially when the opposition are a bunch of cunts that those people probably don't really want to vote for either.
 
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