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PVA

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  • Oct 10, 2021
  • #7,211
clint van damme said:
Unfortunately we live in a country where a large number of people fall for this bollocks.
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Yep the DM readership will lap that up
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 10, 2021
  • #7,212
PVA said:
Also, this Tory campaign to get people back in the office is getting desperate.

IF YOU WORK FROM HOME YOU'RE HELPING THE TALIBAN!!

PEOPLE STILL WENT TO WORK EVEN WHEN GETTING BOMBED!!






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The Mail getting into the The Sunday Sport territory there. They’ll be telling us next that there’s a spitfire on the moon.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 10, 2021
  • #7,213
clint van damme said:
Tories getting worried about their commercial property portfolios.
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Client Challenge
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Oct 10, 2021
  • #7,214
PVA said:
Also, this Tory campaign to get people back in the office is getting desperate.

IF YOU WORK FROM HOME YOU'RE HELPING THE TALIBAN!!

PEOPLE STILL WENT TO WORK EVEN WHEN GETTING BOMBED!!






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Be interesting to see if the working from home narrative switches due to high energy prices for business.
 

Astute

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  • Oct 10, 2021
  • #7,215
clint van damme said:
Unfortunately we live in a country where a large number of people fall for this bollocks.
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Unfortunately we live in a country where both main parties get away with constant bollocks because the most vocal on both sides attack every lie from one side and defend every lie from the other. There's no pressure for either side to become more truthful. And until it changes politics in the UK will continue to be a farce. This makes idiots like Boris electable. And even though we have gone from one disaster to another I have seen nothing to suggest anything but another Tory government.

There's not enough poor/left wing voters to counter rich/aspirational/anti left voters to give anything but another Tory win unless a major event happens that shows the Tories for what they are. And even this might not be enough.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 10, 2021
  • #7,216
Astute said:
Unfortunately we live in a country where both main parties get away with constant bollocks because the most vocal on both sides attack every lie from one side and defend every lie from the other. There's no pressure for either side to become more truthful. And until it changes politics in the UK will continue to be a farce. This makes idiots like Boris electable. And even though we have gone from one disaster to another I have seen nothing to suggest anything but another Tory government.

There's not enough poor/left wing voters to counter rich/aspirational/anti left voters to give anything but another Tory win unless a major event happens that shows the Tories for what they are. And even this might not be enough.
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Why is aspiration the preserve of the right?
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 10, 2021
  • #7,217
Astute said:
Unfortunately we live in a country where both main parties get away with constant bollocks because the most vocal on both sides attack every lie from one side and defend every lie from the other. There's no pressure for either side to become more truthful. And until it changes politics in the UK will continue to be a farce. This makes idiots like Boris electable. And even though we have gone from one disaster to another I have seen nothing to suggest anything but another Tory government.

There's not enough poor/left wing voters to counter rich/aspirational/anti left voters to give anything but another Tory win unless a major event happens that shows the Tories for what they are. And even this might not be enough.
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Who knows could be on the verge of it depends how this situation plays out over the winter and into next year with interest hikes,gas Levy's, inflation etc strength of sterling.
 
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Astute

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  • Oct 10, 2021
  • #7,218
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Why is aspiration the preserve of the right?
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Did I say it was?

Most of those who do well/perceive themselves as doing well want to be led by those who look after those who have money.

But here we go again. Defend Defend Defend. Attack Attack Attack. Never consider anything that doesn't tick a box. Keep everything as it is. Keep the Tories in power.

I can't wait. Just 18 months to go and will be living in a country where all politicians are held to account. Even from those who support that party.
 

Astute

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  • Oct 10, 2021
  • #7,219
wingy said:
Who knows could be on the verge of it depends how this situation plays out over the winter and into next year with interest hikes,gas Levy's, inflation etc strength of sterling.
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Which is what I mentioned. Might if something major happens that goes badly wrong.

Too early to call anything. I will nail my flag to the mast when it is time. Can't remember the last time I called any kind of vote wrong. Mainly comes down to how well/badly the Tories are doing against the perception of Labour. People looking after their accumulated wealth will nearly always come before a Labour vote. Too many people who are asset rich but cash poor see themselves as rich.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 10, 2021
  • #7,220
shmmeee said:
Theres always going to be that issue until you have pure democracy (which is a terrible idea IMO).

Really we probably need to bite the bullet and go for a presidential system as we basically vote like that anyway.
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I'm not a fan of giving one individual too much power, especially one who can claim they have a mandate from the people. As we already see in elections people will very easily fall for lies, promises that can't be kept or just the personality of the person. Promise one thing then do another and then use the media etc to spin it in their favour.

If it did happen we'd have to learn from the US etc. For a start they should have no say whatsoever in picking the judiciary.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 10, 2021
  • #7,221
shmmeee said:
Problem is like all progressive policies 50% want nothing to change and the other 50% are split eight ways about what change to make.
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Exactly. Not wanting things to change is a definite position. Wanting to change things has endless permutations. So even if a large majority of the population want things to change chances are you'd still not get enough of a consensus on how to do it to overcome the few that want things staying as they are.
 

Astute

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  • Oct 10, 2021
  • #7,222
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I'm not a fan of giving one individual too much power, especially one who can claim they have a mandate from the people. As we already see in elections people will very easily fall for lies, promises that can't be kept or just the personality of the person. Promise one thing then do another and then use the media etc to spin it in their favour.

If it did happen we'd have to learn from the US etc. For a start they should have no say whatsoever in picking the judiciary.
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The voting public have no choice but to vote for the lies or promises that can't be kept because all main parties do it. And voting for a smaller party is usually a wasted vote.
 

Ian1779

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  • Oct 10, 2021
  • #7,223
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I don’t get what is progressive about wanting to break the country up with SNP and PC.
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The Tories have fucked the Union. It’s probably time for damage limitation.
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 10, 2021
  • #7,224
Astute said:
Did I say it was?

Most of those who do well/perceive themselves as doing well want to be led by those who look after those who have money.

But here we go again. Defend Defend Defend. Attack Attack Attack. Never consider anything that doesn't tick a box. Keep everything as it is. Keep the Tories in power.

I can't wait. Just 18 months to go and will be living in a country where all politicians are held to account. Even from those who support that party.
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Are politicians held to account in France?
I honestly don't know but I do remember Macron allowing the police to set about yellow vest protestors, including women, very violently and don't think he had much repercussions.

I was surprised at the time that the anti EU brigade on here didn't make much more of it and I suspected it was because they thought it could happen here, which it did, albeit on a smaller scale.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 10, 2021
  • #7,225
Sick Boy said:
I see De Pfeffel has headed off to Spain for a holiday.
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Is it half term yet?
Circuit breaker /circuit blower?
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 10, 2021
  • #7,226
Im sure they are and will.


Banks to pay £7bn dividend bonanza: Big five lenders defy crunch

Lloyds Banking Group, HSBC, Barclays, NatWest and Standard Chartered - are set to report pre-tax profits totalling £33billion for 2021, paving the way for bigger payouts to shareholders.
www.thisismoney.co.uk
 

Astute

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,227
clint van damme said:
Are politicians held to account in France?
I honestly don't know but I do remember Macron allowing the police to set about yellow vest protestors, including women, very violently and don't think he had much repercussions.

I was surprised at the time that the anti EU brigade on here didn't make much more of it and I suspected it was because they thought it could happen here, which it did, albeit on a smaller scale.
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Yes they are. The only reason Macron got in last time is it was him or full on racists.

Push them too far and they all go on strike. But the press is the same as here. Full of shite and with an agenda.
 

stupot07

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,228
Inappropriate behaviour from 'impartial' bbc news reporters at the tory part conference.


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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,229
wingy said:
Im sure they are and will.


Banks to pay £7bn dividend bonanza: Big five lenders defy crunch

Lloyds Banking Group, HSBC, Barclays, NatWest and Standard Chartered - are set to report pre-tax profits totalling £33billion for 2021, paving the way for bigger payouts to shareholders.
www.thisismoney.co.uk
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I think we somehow need to incorporate dividends into corporation tax in some form. At the moment it's tax v dividends and if you base the tax around the dividends everyone is pulling in the same direction. If the shareholders are doing well so is the public purse.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,230
stupot07 said:
Inappropriate behaviour from 'impartial' bbc news reporters at the tory part conference.


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Can't be true. The BBC is full of woke lefties don't you know.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,231
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I think we somehow need to incorporate dividends into corporation tax in some form. At the moment it's tax v dividends and if you base the tax around the dividends everyone is pulling in the same direction. If the shareholders are doing well so is the public purse.
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Would rather have a tax on shares as well. If you want to profit from the economy then you can pay something into society.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,232
Philosorapter said:
Would rather have a tax on shares as well. If you want to profit from the economy then you can pay something into society.
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You do get taxed on dividends
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,233
Deleted member 5849 said:
You do get taxed on dividends
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Doesn’t that depend on where the dividends are paid to. If they’re being paid to a hedge fund based in an offshore tax haven are they paying any tax or the same tax rate as a company director of a small company paying himself a dividend in the UK?
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,234
This has just strangely appeared in my Twittersphere.

 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,235
Philosorapter said:
This has just strangely appeared in my Twittersphere.

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Decent list although I'm unsure as to why the Queen is there
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,236
Evo1883 said:
Decent list although I'm unsure as to why the Queen is there
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Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,237
Just flicking through the feed. Certainly different.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,238
Evo1883 said:
Decent list although I'm unsure as to why the Queen is there
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Given that Prince Andrew is number 1 probably down to reports of her covering his legal costs.

Queen ‘to spend millions funding Prince Andrew’s defence against sex abuse claims’

The Queen will reportedly use income from her private Duchy of Lancaster estate to fund the case
www.independent.co.uk
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,239
Hey @Grendel , you know how you hate the IRA and you're always posting that gif because you think someone on here is an IRA sympathiser.

And you know how you idolise that bloke in your avatar.

Well...


 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,240
PVA said:
Hey @Grendel , you know how you hate the IRA and you're always posting that gif because you think someone on here is an IRA sympathiser.

And you know how you idolise that bloke in your avatar.

Well...


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Genuinely thats suicide with his supporters tbh , however he may be saved as he's reading a message out
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,241
Evo1883 said:
Genuinely thats suicide with his supporters tbh , however he may be saved as he's reading a message out
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He is just reading a message out but he or his team should be on top of making sure stuff like this gets weeded out.

Do you think someone like Starmer or Corbyn would get away with the excuse of "I was just reading a message out"?
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,242
Yeah 'just reading a message out' is no excuse.

He's the one reading it. He knows what it says.

He'll do anything for cash.
 

Evo1883

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,243
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
He is just reading a message out but he or his team should be on top of making sure stuff like this gets weeded out.

Do you think someone like Starmer or Corbyn would get away with the excuse of "I was just reading a message out"?
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They wouldn't, however they are both main political party leaders , farage is currently just a talk show host isn't he ?
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,244
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
He is just reading a message out but he or his team should be on top of making sure stuff like this gets weeded out.

Do you think someone like Starmer or Corbyn would get away with the excuse of "I was just reading a message out"?
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I also don't think he has a team watching him live stream on twitter or Instagram or whatever social media account he did this on .. bit of a nothing story tbh , at first i actually thought he said it with intention which would have pissed many off ..
Now I know what it actually is it's a nothing story , knob head or not
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 11, 2021
  • #7,245
Evo1883 said:
I also don't think he has a team watching him live stream on twitter or Instagram or whatever social media account he did this on .. bit of a nothing story tbh , at first i actually thought he said it with intention which would have pissed many off ..
Now I know what it actually is it's a nothing story , knob head or not
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Imagine Corbyn doing the same thing and be honest, would you really say the same thing you just have there?
 
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