Do you want to discuss boring politics? (14 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

Labour have well and truly messed the economy up. More billionaires leaving being replaced by Young men on boats who will offer the country nothing

Another tax increase is inevitable over the next 12 months

How many billionaires have moved out and how many are left mate,

 

[Legionairre]

How many billionaires have moved out and how many are left mate,

Apparent exodus of super-rich suggests UK is no longer billionaires’ playground

If recent complaints are believed, London and the UK are no longer welcoming for ultra-high net worth individuals

www.theguardian.com

for every billionaire that leaves the uk and the amount of tax the government is probably in excess of 300 million

 

[Legionairre]

Labour want everyone to upload ID to go on social media (which I don’t disagree with) but want to axe Photo ID when voting

I wonder why?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Apparent exodus of super-rich suggests UK is no longer billionaires’ playground

If recent complaints are believed, London and the UK are no longer welcoming for ultra-high net worth individuals

www.theguardian.com

for every billionaire that leaves the uk and the amount of tax the government is probably in excess of 300 million

Foreign billionaires?

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

The fact is they should be nearly zero and legal immigration should be no more than emigration.

The situation now is that the population goes up and more land is taken for houses while supporting infrastructure is hardly being built, people born here find it harder and harder to get jobs and training to go into their chosen profession. In the meantime it is plain to see the existing infrastructure is falling into disrepair and the MSM are deployed to present a rosey image of the UK on the world stage that is far from the truth.

Housebuilding is good. Construction industry is a major driver of economic growth in UK.

 

[Legionairre]

Housebuilding is good. Construction industry is a major driver of economic growth in UK.

Where you going to build the houses?

it’s not sustainable. we are an island and not a very big one

The climate change activists say think of the next generations

Same should be said about immigration

 

[PVA]

Apparent exodus of super-rich suggests UK is no longer billionaires’ playground

If recent complaints are believed, London and the UK are no longer welcoming for ultra-high net worth individuals

www.theguardian.com

for every billionaire that leaves the uk and the amount of tax the government is probably in excess of 300 million

From that article:

"This weekend, one of the UK’s richest people, David Reuben, was revealed to have left the UK for the tax haven of Monaco."

Ah bugger, how are we going to cope without his massive tax contribution?

When the Sunday Times broke the news that David Reuben, one of the richest men in the UK, had apparently fled to the tax haven of Monaco, there was much pearl clutching. Reuben had moved from his Holland Park house in London to live full-time in the principality.

Labour’s tax regime was blamed and there were said to be fears there would be a cascading effect across the economy, with wealth draining from the UK. It was reported that he had probably left because of potential taxes on wealth in the upcoming budget.

However, research by TaxWatch has found that Reuben, 88, has been a tax resident in Monaco since at least 2014.

Oh.

 

[Captain Dart]

I never said that at all, I said as many in as out, not a constantly increasing population.

 

[mmttww]

we are an island and not a very big one

are you worried we'll sink if we build houses?

 

[LarryGrayson]

are you worried we'll sink if we build houses?

He has a point about space - we are quite tight packed as an island. I'd have sympathy with some of the arguments however if people accepted the payoff, which is looking after your elderly relatives yourselves, and paying higher taxes to compensate for less people to look after an ever increasing pension and care burden.

Then we need to raise taxes again so we can adequately train the people we need.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

are you worried we'll sink if we build houses?

It's more than that though isn't it.

Building houses means roads and paths to link it to the existing network. All of this increases the amount of hard landscaping and thus reduces the capacity of the soil to absorb the water, so you get more floods.

They need attaching to things like the sewage and energy systems so you need to make sure there is the capacity there to meet it. If not you then need to have massive infrastructure works to increase the capacity of those as well. Then there's the other services like schools and shops which also need to be provided, as well as employment and industry. Building houses isn't just building houses - there's a huge amount of other stuff that needs to go with it to provide for the increased population that also takes up space. And as we're building on more land we're reducing the amount of land left to provide food for the bigger population, meaning ever more reliance on foreign food sources and increased food prices.

Studies have shown that increased urban landscape with reduced green spaces is bad for us physically (hardly surprising given we're taking away air cleansers to replace them with polluters)) but also psychologically. High density building has also shown to have a negative effect on people.

Then there's the effect on other species, which some may not consider important, although some such as pollinators clearly are.

Perpetually building more houses for an ever increasing population just isn't sustainable long term (and given the already huge supply/demand imbalance isn't really workable short or medium term either). Ultimately the only proper long term solution is self-regulated population control.

 

[Legionairre]

are you worried we'll sink if we build houses?

pardon?

Look at the stats

Turn of this century the population from then to now is up about 8-10 million so around 10-12% it’s unsustainable for a country of our size

This country will not survive if that trend continues for another 20 years

people are living longer, more people coming to the country. I fear for the kids of today and the next generations

 

[chiefdave]

From that article:

"This weekend, one of the UK’s richest people, David Reuben, was revealed to have left the UK for the tax haven of Monaco."

Ah bugger, how are we going to cope without his massive tax contribution?

Oh.

Pretty sure he hasn't read the article as it also says there's not actually more billionaires leaving, that they have always been transient but that for some reason its now being highlighted where in the past it wasn't.

Not sure we should be making policy changes because Ben Goldsmith now finds it harder to organise a party or because Lampl claims he left due to a push to lower emissions to improve people's health, a policy that has proven so successful its surprised even its biggest supporters.

 

[chiefdave]

He has a point about space - we are quite tight packed as an island.

People have a tendency to massively over-estimate the amount of the country that is build on which leads to the 'we're running out of space' claims. Bit out of date but we're not exactly building at a rapid rate so won't be far off the current figures.

In December 2017 the Royal Statistical Society (RSS) released their ‘UK Statistic of the Year’. The statistic was 0.1%, the proportion of land area in the UK which is densely built up.

Following on from this, Ipsos asked the British public what percentage of land in the UK they think is densely built up. The findings show the public hugely overestimate the figure with a mean guess of 47%.

Has 92% of the country not been built on? – Full Fact

Estimates range between 88% and 99.9%. It also depends on if we include gardens and “green urban” areas.

fullfact.org

 

[LarryGrayson]

People have a tendency to massively over-estimate the amount of the country that is build on which leads to the 'we're running out of space' claims. Bit out of date but we're not exactly building at a rapid rate so won't be far off the current figures.

I'd compare our population density to France, say and yes, we're relatively tightly packed in.

 

[Grendel]

People have a tendency to massively over-estimate the amount of the country that is build on which leads to the 'we're running out of space' claims. Bit out of date but we're not exactly building at a rapid rate so won't be far off the current figures.

Has 92% of the country not been built on? – Full Fact

Estimates range between 88% and 99.9%. It also depends on if we include gardens and “green urban” areas.

fullfact.org

that’s great Dave - let’s build houses in the Welsh valleys and the Highlands of Scotland.

perhaps build new cities on the moors and the national parks.

Slight issue there I think

 

[skybluetony176]

pardon?

Look at the stats

Turn of this century the population from then to now is up about 8-10 million so around 10-12% it’s unsustainable for a country of our size

This country will not survive if that trend continues for another 20 years

people are living longer, more people coming to the country. I fear for the kids of today and the next generations

Isn’t the reason that people are living longer the argument for growing the population so we have enough people to pay for the elderly.

 

[wingy]

Isn’t the reason that people are living longer the argument for growing the population so we have enough people to pay for the elderly.

More death is the answer, time to buy shares in pure cremations do away with all that nonsense.

 

[stupot07]

Where you going to build the houses?

it’s not sustainable. we are an island and not a very big one

The climate change activists say think of the next generations

Same should be said about immigration

Yes it's a few years ago 2018 but we've hardly built since then.

"Ordnance Survey data suggests that all the buildings in the UK - houses, shops, offices, factories, greenhouses - cover 1.4% of the total land surface. Looking at England alone, the figure still rises to only 2%.

Buildings cover less of Britain than the land revealed when the tide goes out."

 

[Grendel]

Yes it's a few years ago 2018 but we've hardly built since then.

"Ordnance Survey data suggests that all the buildings in the UK - houses, shops, offices, factories, greenhouses - cover 1.4% of the total land surface. Looking at England alone, the figure still rises to only 2%.

Buildings cover less of Britain than the land revealed when the tide goes out."

It’s not really that relevant. Compare us to France.

 

[wingy]

It’s not really that relevant. Compare us to France.

France has a vast area in the central belt which is sparsely populated.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Isn’t the reason that people are living longer the argument for growing the population so we have enough people to pay for the elderly.

But it's a rubbish argument, because who then looks after and pays for those people when they grow old? I guess we'd better grow the population again, hadn't we.

But then what happens when those people get old and need looking after and paying for? I guess we'd better grow the population again hadn't w...

You get the idea.

 

[skybluetony176]

But it's a rubbish argument, because who then looks after and pays for those people when they grow old? I guess we'd better grow the population again, hadn't we.

But then what happens when those people get old and need looking after and paying for? I guess we'd better grow the population again hadn't w...

You get the idea.

It’s a balancing act obviously but the truth is that the declining birth rates in the UK are unsustainable which means we need immigration.

 

[Marty]

But it's a rubbish argument, because who then looks after and pays for those people when they grow old? I guess we'd better grow the population again, hadn't we.

But then what happens when those people get old and need looking after and paying for? I guess we'd better grow the population again hadn't w...

You get the idea.

Battery farming foreigners is the only solution.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Battery farming foreigners is the only solution.

Yep, especially from the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa. Lots of high net worth individuals to fill the treasury’s coffers…

 

[ccfc1292]

Battery farming foreigners is the only solution.

Think just a council house each will suffice. Then the multiple wives that receive benefits each. A battery farm is extreme!