Do you want to discuss boring politics? (15 Viewers)

tisza

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The last page of this thread is exactly why all of this has become such a difficult thing to tackle.

We've got a story about grooming gangs, and the fact the victims once again don't feel heard or that this is being dealt with properly or fairly.

What are we talking about? Islamophobia, how bad Christianity is, and even Tommy Robinson has managed to make an appearance.
Does seem the govt wants to get its"islamophobia" definitions in place before this grooming inquiry launches.
This grooming scandal is such a political minefield as no inquiry can't but be extremely critical of govt bodies, councils, police, social services and certain sections of the community.
For all the handwringing and political mud throwing in April Alexis Jay was in the media this week saying that still only 2 of her 20 recommendations have been addressed.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Does seem the govt wants to get its"islamophobia" definitions in place before this grooming inquiry launches.
This grooming scandal is such a political minefield as no inquiry can't but be extremely critical of govt bodies, councils, police, social services and certain sections of the community.
For all the handwringing and political mud throwing in April Alexis Jay was in the media this week saying that still only 2 of her 20 recommendations have been addressed.

I see the victims that have quit the inquiry will only rejoin it if certain things are done as well, one of which is to sack Jess Phillips, who they feel has betrayed them.
 

mmttww

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re: the enquiry, for some balance, several survivors have publicly disagreed with those that have left. Hard to tell signal from noise when the scope or changes to it aren't in the public domain.
 

chiefdave

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For all the handwringing and political mud throwing in April Alexis Jay was in the media this week saying that still only 2 of her 20 recommendations have been addressed.
How many people said this when it became about using demands for a national enquiry as political point scoring.

Time and time again it was pointed it we've had enquiries and fuck all had been done as a result but some of those in the spotlight were more interested in what they could gain for themselves rather than prioritising the victims.

Now we've got a predicatable problem in that its taking forever to set it up, as happens with most enquries. And because its a large scale national enquiry there's endless arguements about the scope. While you're got media reports of some survivors quitting because the scope is not what they feel it should be you've got others pushing for the opposite.

A complete, and predictable, mess that will in the best case scenario add months before anything gets done. Worse case scenario the whole thing gets binned and we start again.
 

Grendel

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re: the enquiry, for some balance, several survivors have publicly disagreed with those that have left. Hard to tell signal from noise when the scope or changes to it aren't in the public domain.

There is no scope or terms - that’s the problem
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Even looking at that now, it doesn't say that £350m is going to the NHS. It's saying let's fund it instead of sending £350m to the EU each week. Anyone who was taken in by it and thinks that what it's saying on either side is a bit simple.
Well, given that Leave slapped in on the side of the bus, what does that tell you about the kind of people they were trying to convince then? They couldn't argue with those with a modicum of intelligence or critical thinking with genuine points so were left using lies trying to appeal to stupid people.

That tells you want their opinion was of the general public and their disingenuity. And that is still what Farage is trying to do now.
 

mmttww

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There is no scope or terms - that’s the problem

there must be something that's been proposed or the survivors that have left the inquiry wouldn't have had anything to become frustrated about. Everything I've read talks about them not wanting certain people running it and them having concerns about the scope. Logically, for them to have concerns, there must have been something presented to them. If not, I fully don't get what's going on.
 

Grendel

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there must be something that's been proposed or the survivors that have left the inquiry wouldn't have had anything to become frustrated about. Everything I've read talks about them not wanting certain people running it and them having concerns about the scope. Logically, for them to have concerns, there must have been something presented to them. If not, I fully don't get what's going on.

Of course there isn’t - that can’t happen until someone is appointed as a chair
 

Grendel

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Well, given that Leave slapped in on the side of the bus, what does that tell you about the kind of people they were trying to convince then? They couldn't argue with those with a modicum of intelligence or critical thinking with genuine points so were left using lies trying to appeal to stupid people.

That tells you want their opinion was of the general public and their disingenuity. And that is still what Farage is trying to do now.

The lies on the remain side were appealing to
Intelligent people?

 

rob9872

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Well, given that Leave slapped in on the side of the bus, what does that tell you about the kind of people they were trying to convince then? They couldn't argue with those with a modicum of intelligence or critical thinking with genuine points so were left using lies trying to appeal to stupid people.

That tells you want their opinion was of the general public and their disingenuity. And that is still what Farage is trying to do now.
There were lots of lies told by remain too - often associated with George Osbourne. What was their opinion of the general public?
 

rob9872

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