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[Brighton Sky Blue]

And also the cost:benefit. My partner is going back to work next month after 12 months’ maternity. We’re in the fortunate position that we get 15 hours free childcare per week (universal thing now from 9mths) so she’s going back for 15 hours a week. If she were to go back full-time it might make us an extra £200 per month after you deduct the additional childcare costs. Is it worth slogging for £2.50 an hour beyond the free allowance?

Universal if you’re in work. I do not count as that and both parents need to be to qualify.

Postgrad parents get jack shit. So we will have to burn through our savings to pay the mortgage in the mean time.

 

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[wingy]

And also the cost:benefit. My partner is going back to work next month after 12 months’ maternity. We’re in the fortunate position that we get 15 hours free childcare per week (universal thing now from 9mths) so she’s going back for 15 hours a week. If she were to go back full-time it might make us an extra £200 per month after you deduct the additional childcare costs. Is it worth slogging for £2.50 an hour beyond the free allowance?

Frankly,No, no incentive at all!

 

[shmmeee]

Good question. The data published is on pure ethnicity which includes British born people of other BME origin. I'm not sure if there is any data collected on immigration status.

A lot of the data isn’t there. It’s why you have to fall back to white British and stuff

I don't think many people think Farage isn't savvy. By saying he's a charlatan and snake oil salesman it's kind of implying he has the intelligence to pander to a crowd and get the image right even though his background is massively removed from "one of us".

He's admitted he's not overly fussed about immigration - it just gets him votes. His main benefactors and people he wants to help are the rich, and they benefit more from immigration because it keeps their wage costs down, and he'll go for that everytime. He also favours massive tax cuts for the rich at the expense of decimating public services. The Reform manifesto pretty much said as much. He IS a charlatan playing to the crowd and telling them what they want to hear, not the reality or what his actual intentions are.

Biggest donors by far are the oil industry.

 

[Captain Dart]

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People crossing the channel on small boats really isn't the issue though is it. As much as many people love to think it is.

It is certainly a huge political issue as well as the taxpayer paying SERCO et al to take out 5 year contracts on private residential properties to house them which is doing nothing to discourage crossings, the number last year was 44k, numbers have risen this year.

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However I am well aware most immigration is legal and it was a Tory policy after Brexit to bring ever more people in, net immigration was 728,000 in 2024, the year before it was 20% higher.

The Home Office actually publish a lot of data.


Long term legal immigration to increase the tax take solves nothing while the birth rate is declining everywhere, it just kicks the can down the road a bit, the favourite strategy of scummy politicians.

 

[MalcSB]

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It is certainly a huge political issue as well as the taxpayer paying SERCO et al to take out 5 year contracts on private residential properties to house them which is doing nothing to discourage crossings, the number last year was 44k, numbers have risen this year.

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However I am well aware most immigration is legal and it was a Tory policy after Brexit to bring ever more people in, net immigration was 728,000 in 2024, the year before it was 20% higher.

The Home Office actually publish a lot of data.
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Long term legal immigration to increase the tax take solves nothing while the birth rate is declining everywhere, it just kicks the can down the road a bit, the favourite strategy of scummy politicians.

Government defends National Insurance exemption in UK-India deal

Opposition parties claim the new trade agreement means Indian workers will be cheaper for employers to hire.

www.bbc.co.uk

Nothing for the right wing to see and complain about out here, is there?Doesn't even increase the tax take.



The lack of action is patently obvious.

 

[MalcSB]

People crossing the channel on small boats really isn't the issue though is it. As much as many people love to think it is.

The boats are an icon on which people can focus their ire. It doesn't mean that they should casually be dismissed so easily as irrelevant.

Get the numbers down and that will be just as easily recognised by the right. Stop bending our sovereignty and legal system to the ECHR will also be recognised. Got to be worth a shot , surely?

 

[DT-R]

I couldn't tell you the split if im honest id be making it up

It's usually around 20%. Though I'm sure it'll differ slightly from council to council but not by much.

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[MalcSB]

Do migrants get priority for housing, genuinely? I don't know. I do know that we have not built any public housing on any meaningful scale for 35 years which has led to an absolute scarcity of supply vs demand.

Is the NHS struggling because of migration? The biggest driver of hospital use for non-elderly population is deprivation, this coincides quite often with ethnicity but is not exclusive to ethnicity. Somebody aged between 1 and 4 is twice as likely to be referred to a consultant if they live in the most deprived decile than somebody in the least deprived decile. By the time people reach their 20s, it is nearly 3 times the likelihood. Where's the outcry? What are governments going to do about this? Some of it might be explained by the rise of personal insurance but it's unlikely.

There have been 15 years or more of governments telling the public the public realm has to look completely shit because they cannot afford otherwise, look at the bin strikes in Cov and now those in Birmingham, they could be solved in an instant but the government of the times was unwilling to do so. In spending on public services like health, a complete unwillingness to look reality in the face.

I don't have a position on whether immigration is too high or not, it feels high but I think like I've said above, everything feels a lot worse because of the context.

Would you consider part of the realities to be looked in the face to be available funding?

 

[MalcSB]

Same shit happened in telecomms, Huawei took out UK industry, UK management was unimaginative, innovation and quality was not really pursued, partly because Chinese/Far East workers have a better work ethic and more to gain by being successful.

Do the Chinese / Far East workers have a better work ethic and more to gain because of the rewards they receive by being successful?

Could that approach possibly work in the UK if more rewards could be kept by those with a better worth ethic

 

[MalcSB]

Do migrants get priority for housing, genuinely? I don't know. I do know that we have not built any public housing on any meaningful scale for 35 years which has led to an absolute scarcity of supply vs demand.

Is the NHS struggling because of migration? The biggest driver of hospital use for non-elderly population is deprivation, this coincides quite often with ethnicity but is not exclusive to ethnicity. Somebody aged between 1 and 4 is twice as likely to be referred to a consultant if they live in the most deprived decile than somebody in the least deprived decile. By the time people reach their 20s, it is nearly 3 times the likelihood. Where's the outcry? What are governments going to do about this? Some of it might be explained by the rise of personal insurance but it's unlikely.

There have been 15 years or more of governments telling the public the public realm has to look completely shit because they cannot afford otherwise, look at the bin strikes in Cov and now those in Birmingham, they could be solved in an instant but the government of the times was unwilling to do so. In spending on public services like health, a complete unwillingness to look reality in the face.

I don't have a position on whether immigration is too high or not, it feels high but I think like I've said above, everything feels a lot worse because of the context.

Migrants per se don’t get preference for social housing, however the availability of homelessness assistance for survivors of human trafficking or slavery granted temporary permission to stay (TPS) are eligible for a housing allocation and homelessness assistance. The UK’s homeless could see that as , priority access to the type of accommodation that might have been appropriate for them as well.

To be fair, he did like a beer and a curry with his staff during lockdown. Was that worse than Boris having a bit of birthday cake?

Both as bad as each other?

One was forced to resign. One should resign for the good of the nation.

What is Beergate and why does it matter?

Keir Starmer having a beer and takeaway has potentially become a resigning matter after reopening of investigation

www.theguardian.com

Did Boris actually have cake?
Regardless, both as bad as each other and you are suggesting that beer and curry was a more regular occurrence. They should either both have gone, or neither. Starmer may have got away with something. I won’t mention Rayner.

 

[MalcSB]

Genuine Q cos I don’t know but (bear with me here hypotheticals) if all immigrants are poor and move to deprived areas how can you disentangle that’s immigration and what’s deprevation?

Chicken and egg?