Do you want to discuss boring politics? (17 Viewers)

[wingy]

Taking the emotion out of it all the data is on my side. Fertility rates started dropping in the sixties. Are we really saying that was peak living for everyone?

For freedom from oppression absolutely.

 

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[shmmeee]

Economically it might have been.

What metric would you like to use here? Disposable income? Average weekly wage?

Like if you’re a housing theory of everything by kind of guy it should correlate with house price to wage ratio and it doesn’t.

 

[Captain Dart]

Taking the emotion out of it all the data is on my side. Fertility rates started dropping in the sixties. Are we really saying that was peak living for everyone?

It was better than the 50's but contraceptive pills and the tendency to marry later might have had something to do with it.

I'm fairly sure their are multiple reasons, there is likely no simple explanation.

 

[shmmeee]

It was better than the 50's but contraceptive pills and the tendency to marry later might have had something to do with it.

I'm fairly sure there are multiple reasons, there is likely no simple explanation.

I mean whatever it is has to apply to all these places at once:

 

[Captain Dart]

I mean whatever it is has to apply to all these places at once:

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Some countries must have experienced a real boom in births since world population increased from 2.5 bn in 1950 to 8.2 bn now.

 

[shmmeee]

Some countries must have experienced a real boom in births since world population increased from 2.5 bn in 1950 to 8.2 bn now.

Some of the starting points are very high in Asia and Africa. Even though they’ve come below replenishment recently they were well above for decades before.

 

[shmmeee]

On a wide scale kids are insurance against old age and illness. Have lots of kids, more chance one of them grows up well off enough for you to live off when you’re old and decrepit. The better either the state looks after you or you can provide for yourself the less you need lots of kids for economic reasons and the more your life becomes about kids as self actualisation and wanting to provide a better childhood for them than you had. Which as a parent in 2025 is basically impossible. I earn way more than my parents ever did and couldn’t dream of giving my kids the upbringing I had. I think that’s what people like BSB are referencing. But to say it’s impossible or you have to put your kids into poverty is just hyperbolic nonsense. Plenty of people raise kids perfectly well on meagre salaries.

 

[wingy]

The early sixties it was booming for us new car's furniture op, one of 4 at the time,and increased to seven by decades end,bet my dad wasn't on.much more than £20-22.Masseys.in around 62, Irish immigrant married local girl , incentives to start a family.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

On a wide scale kids are insurance against old age and illness. Have lots of kids, more chance one of them grows up well off enough for you to live off when you’re old and decrepit. The better either the state looks after you or you can provide for yourself the less you need lots of kids for economic reasons and the more your life becomes about kids as self actualisation and wanting to provide a better childhood for them than you had. Which as a parent in 2025 is basically impossible. I earn way more than my parents ever did and couldn’t dream of giving my kids the upbringing I had. I think that’s what people like BSB are referencing. But to say it’s impossible or you have to put your kids into poverty is just hyperbolic nonsense. Plenty of people raise kids perfectly well on meagre salaries.

It isn’t what I’m referencing at all.

 

[fernandopartridge]

What metric would you like to use here? Disposable income? Average weekly wage?

Like if you’re a housing theory of everything by kind of guy it should correlate with house price to wage ratio and it doesn’t.

Income distribution was far more equal in the late 60s than it is today

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Income distribution was far more equal in the late 60s than it is today

Massively and a desire to limit it too
Blair 1997 changed all that really

 

[fernandopartridge]

Massively and a desire to limit it too
Blair 1997 changed all that really

Thatcher changed it and Blair built on it. Income inequality was highest by Thatcher's last year and highest under Brown by 2007/08.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Thatcher changed it and Blair built on it. Income inequality was highest by Thatcher's last year and highest under Brown by 2007/08.

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Thanks for challenging my prejudice with facts