Do you want to discuss boring politics? (5 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

We've never discussed it, she's not a fan of the regime though.

Discuss it. You might change your views pretty quickly. Genuinely shocked at some of the takes in here from supposedly left wing people.

Fuck me.

 

[Sick Boy]

Genuinely don’t think people who cape for the likes of Russia and Iran have ever fucking met anyone from those places. You’d change your tune pretty fucking quick if so.

Genuinely pathetic take. Go talk to someone who fears for their life because of the governments of these countries and come back with your “oh the west is just as bad” shit.

How condescending.

I have an ex Iranian girlfriend that I am still friends with.

She would also actually understand the point I was making as well.

 

[Sick Boy]

But we back genocide! That’s what you said. Iran and Britain just as bad!

Or were you being obtuse?

Err, I didn’t actually but crack on with your assumptions.

 

[Grendel]

Genuinely don’t think people who cape for the likes of Russia and Iran have ever fucking met anyone from those places. You’d change your tune pretty fucking quick if so.

Genuinely pathetic take. Go talk to someone who fears for their life because of the governments of these countries and come back with your “oh the west is just as bad” shit.

I’ve met many Russians and have been there. Your point is what exactly?

 

[Sick Boy]

Their backing of Russia and various terrorist groups for a start.

This was the actual post about Iran being the biggest threat to global world peace due to having nuclear weapons that I was responding to.

It’s not like there’s anything else going on in the region or anything that might lead to problems.

 

[clint van damme]

Anyway, to change topic completely. Once again I am saying that we fucked up giving America to the puritans and keeping the UK.

And this is why any comparison of economies TBF should probably exclude the US. Just the luckiest fucking country on the planet geographically.

Haven't the Chinese just announced they've perfected a process for recycling lithium? (It might have been cobalt).

If its lithium I find the timing of both announcements a bit more than coincidental.

 

[chiefdave]

Go talk to someone who fears for their life because of the governments of these countries and come back with your “oh the west is just as bad” shit.

“Actually supporting brutal homophobic regimes is socialist really.”

Its not Russia or Iran but watched the Romesh Ranganathan show about Uganda the other day and the issue of their anti-homosexuality act, which was introduced in 2023, came up and the scary thing he found was that it had overwhelming support.

Not for a second suggesting we should therefore be in favour of it or support Uganda but not sure we can assume that the majority of people in other countries and of other religions necessarily share our views on human rights and look at our way of life enviously.

Obviously we would all hope that their views can be changed over time but I suspect they probably think the same of us.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

“Actually supporting brutal homophobic regimes is socialist really.”

And people question *my* left wing credentials? Fucking hell. Supporting winning UK elections is more right wing than throwing gay people off buildings and killing political opponents an brutalising and entire populous I guess.

Miss me with that tankie shite.

To be fair, socialist and communist regimes don’t have the best records on LGBT right… The iconic Che Guevara was involved in persecuting homosexuals after the Cuban Revolution.

Perhaps your tongue-in-cheek quote is right?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Back to the UK election now, I just find it miraculous that Labour is deciding to have petty ‘civil war’ over Diane Abbott at the start of a general election campaign.

Rayner (and others) undermining Starmer is ridiculous. You’re on the cusp of forming the next government if you don’t fuck it up.

A disunited party could cost them a majority or somehow even lose it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Back to the UK election now, I just find it miraculous that Labour is deciding to have petty ‘civil war’ over Diane Abbott at the start of a general election campaign.

Rayner (and others) undermining Starmer is ridiculous. You’re on the cusp of forming the next government if you don’t fuck it up.

A disunited party could cost them a majority or somehow even lose it.

Labour MPs thought little of undermining Corbyn at the last two elections, it’s nothing new. It won’t cost them anything really, the country is too sick of the Tories to let them back in.

 

[David O'Day]

This amuses me

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Labour MPs thought little of undermining Corbyn at the last two elections, it’s nothing new. It won’t cost them anything really, the country is too sick of the Tories to let them back in.

Exactly and the party then wasn’t fit for office. Factional infighting is not befitting of a government.

The Tories are infighting because they’ve been in government for so long and not achieved a whole lot. Labour really ought to bury all hatchets and get the election over and done.

One week into the election, you’ve got a senior shadow ministers and the deputy leader splitting from the leader. It’s not a good look.

 

[David O'Day]

Exactly and the party then wasn’t fit for office. Factional infighting is not befitting of a government.

The Tories are infighting because they’ve been in government for so long and not achieved a whole lot. Labour really ought to bury all hatchets and get the election over and done.

One week into the election, you’ve got a senior shadow ministers and the deputy leader splitting from the leader. It’s not a good look.

No one who didn't have a view already gives a flying fuck about Dianne Abbott, you just come off as having overdosed on copeium

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Exactly and the party then wasn’t fit for office. Factional infighting is not befitting of a government.

The Tories are infighting because they’ve been in government for so long and not achieved a whole lot. Labour really ought to bury all hatchets and get the election over and done.

One week into the election, you’ve got a senior shadow ministers and the deputy leader splitting from the leader. It’s not a good look.

I don’t particularly care about it and nor will the electorate. She isn’t a well woman and would probably be better off out of politics anyway

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

No one who didn't have a view already gives a flying fuck about Dianne Abbott, you just come off as having overdosed on copeium

Ok, we’ll see how this plays out in the election…

No need for quite a nasty response tbh. Do you go round telling people they’ve OD’d on drugs in person or only when you’re behind your smartphone or keyboard?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I don’t particularly care about it and nor will the electorate. She isn’t a well woman and would probably be better off out of politics anyway

I disagree and the one area of politics that’s genuinely interesting to me is election, how they’re fought and so on.

Disunited political parties rarely win general elections in Europe and in the USA. This could be an issue that blows over in a week but as the policies start to be announced and so on, will there be more infighting?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I disagree and the one area of politics that’s genuinely interesting to me is election, how they’re fought and so on.

Disunited political parties rarely win general elections in Europe and in the USA. This could be an issue that blows over in a week but as the policies start to be announced and so on, will there be more infighting?

The Tories are in greater turmoil from that perspective also. What bothers me much more is the lack of vision or conviction coming from the party leader which leads to shadow ministers refusing to give an opinion on anything even when the public were begging them to, like on QT last Thursday.

 

[skybluetony176]

I disagree and the one area of politics that’s genuinely interesting to me is election, how they’re fought and so on.

Disunited political parties rarely win general elections in Europe and in the USA. This could be an issue that blows over in a week but as the policies start to be announced and so on, will there be more infighting?

No party in the UK is more disunited than the Tories. They’ve got factions within factions. If Labour is only split into 2 factions (in reality they always have been) they’re still in a far far better place than the Tories.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Yes. Britain and Iran are both equally terrible government.

I don't think Iran has ever occupied Britain

 

[clint van damme]

This amuses me

Is this true? Says a lot about the tories of Tunbridge Wells that this is what tipped them over the edge about Dale if so.

 

[clint van damme]

I don't think Iran has ever occupied Britain

The Iranian regime is appalling, but let's not forget who destabilised the country and facilitated these maniacs.
Another western foreign policy zinger.

 

[Grendel]

The Iranian regime is appalling, but let's not forget who destabilised the country and facilitated these maniacs.
Another western foreign policy zinger.

Well yes and also the incursions into Libya Iraq and most notably Afghanistan. Interference with zero positivity yet people stupidly think the Ukraine support is based off moral superiority

 

[Philosoraptor]

The Iranian regime is appalling, but let's not forget who destabilised the country and facilitated these maniacs.
Another western foreign policy zinger.

Oh, it has been going on for centuries.

Great Game - Wikipedia

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[Sick Boy]

The Iranian regime is appalling, but let's not forget who destabilised the country and facilitated these maniacs.
Another western foreign policy zinger.

Careful, you’ll be accused of supporting members of the LGBT community being hurled off buildings next.

 

[clint van damme]

Well yes and also the incursions into Libya Iraq and most notably Afghanistan. Interference with zero positivity yet people stupidly think the Ukraine support is based off moral superiority

Indeed. Gaddafi was always a maniac,but it was only when he started trying to get the golden dinar off the ground that he had to go
Phsycos are fine as long as they stay in their lane and don't upset the apple cart.
There's no altruism involved.

 

[Grendel]

To be fair, socialist and communist regimes don’t have the best records on LGBT right… The iconic Che Guevara was involved in persecuting homosexuals after the Cuban Revolution.

Perhaps your tongue-in-cheek quote is right?

Che Guevara was also an out and out racist - it’s funny when some dopey left wing twats would say Churchill was racist while wearing a T Shirt with the idiot with Frank Spencer beret stuck on his head

 

[Philosoraptor]

Yes. Britain and Iran are both equally terrible government.

I think historically it could be argued that Britain has the worse governance just in terms of people dead, enslaved, or occupied etc but I would be happy to be corrected.

 

[Skybluekyle]

The Iranian regime is appalling, but let's not forget who destabilised the country and facilitated these maniacs.
Another western foreign policy zinger.

We all owe a debt to history, and that can only be repaid by acting with respect, kindness and the pursuit of peace. The injustices of history never justifies the injustices of today.

Simply put, Iran should stop destabilising the region, and using the atrocities of history to justify its actions is a disgrace.

 

[clint van damme]

We all owe a debt to history, and that can only be repaid by acting with respect, kindness and the pursuit of peace. The injustices of history never justifies the injustices of today.

Simply put, Iran should stop destabilising the region, and using the atrocities of history to justify its actions is a disgrace.

Unfortunately history resonates, and keeps resonating.
We still live with consequences of things that happened centuries ago.
And I'm not sure anyone is trying to justify Irans actions.

 

[Grendel]

We all owe a debt to history, and that can only be repaid by acting with respect, kindness and the pursuit of peace. The injustices of history never justifies the injustices of today.

Simply put, Iran should stop destabilising the region, and using the atrocities of history to justify its actions is a disgrace.

I don’t think you can describe meddling in the Middle East in the 21st century as historical

 

[Skybluekyle]

Unfortunately history resonates, and keeps resonating.
We still live with consequences of things that happened centuries ago.
And I'm not sure anyone is trying to justify Irans actions.

History should be learnt from, not used to propagate the idea that the actions of some nefarious characters can use it to fool individuals into justifying it, in some sort of echo chamber of propaganda, and ordinary folk lap it up and even when criticising the regime reference some injustice.

 

[Skybluekyle]

I don’t think you can describe meddling in the Middle East in the 21st century as historical

Cheap semantic trick. I was using it in broader terms, even the 21st century could be consider "modern history", apologies that you could not extrapolate in context.

Plus, with the Sunni/Shia divide, the mistreatment of Christians by the Ottomans, etc..., divisions in the Middle East are deeply ingrained. The West certainly didn't help, but the Middle East needs to help itself now.

 

[Skybluekyle]

Just re-read "21st", read it as "20th" for some reason. My point still stands

 

[Grendel]

Cheap semantic trick. I was using it in broader terms, even the 21st century could be consider "modern history", apologies that you could not extrapolate in context.

Plus, with the Sunni/Shia divide, the mistreatment of Christians by the Ottomans, etc..., divisions in the Middle East are deeply ingrained. The West certainly didn't help, but the Middle East needs to help itself now.

It’s hardly cheap. It’s actually proven very expensive. The overthrow of Gaddafi and Saddam Hussain left massive instability. The US and its allies have frequently decided to act purely in self interest.

There is zero morality on both sides. Ukraine is an experiment in a proxy war and the US care not how many civilians are killed in the process.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Gaddafi was always a maniac,

Gaddafi also had the idea of a third way. Just like Blair/Brown and New Labour.

Third International Theory - Wikipedia

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Part of his green book.