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On most degrees in many universities, just about every student will need access to those facilities, if they're to have the same level that they signed up for.
A lot of things can be done online. You can do an entire degree online. The obvious thing to do would have been move everything that can be done online over and then just have back the number of students who genuinely need access to onsite facilities. With the reduction in numbers onsite you could easily timetable things to minimise numbers onsite at any one time.
It's inevitable it won't fix it, merely mitigate it, but better one now, and one over Christmas (when people tend to take time off, anyway) then a big massive lockdown from mid November through to end February, surely?
And maybe we need another next year in February/March time. But better that than the huge huge swathes of time off. If we can muddle through to summer when schools and universities break, then (hopefully! Yes, I know I'm being naive!) we can actually have a plan in place for this time next year.
That being said, i fear we've missed our window.
Agree with everything in that post but especially this. Problem at the moment is they want to prioritise the economy without telling people they're happy to sacrifice them. So we're stuck in this middle ground where we have one of the highest death rates and one of the biggest economic impacts.There really is no way through this that I can see that doesn’t involve either paying a large chunk of people to stay at home in one form or another, or telling half the country you’re sacrificing them for the economic good.
Most universities have (or are in the process of) their libraries online now. They just scan the books and you log in to the library portal and read the books on your screen.On most degrees in many universities, just about every student will need access to those facilities, if they're to have the same level that they signed up for.
I can safely say, in the universities I have direct experience of (and one in particular is certainly not low down the league table) the need to use the facilities is justified academically.Most universities have (or are in the process of) their libraries online now. They just scan the books and you log in to the library portal and read the books on your screen.
Had a little dig around and got the answers to one of my questions so thought I’d share. It will push the virus back 28 days if it’s well adhered to - still not sure about how this would work with Unis though
‘While the experts said the circuit breaker could push the epidemic back 28 days if it was well adhered to, they said multiple circuit-breaks might be necessary to keep cases low into the winter.’
From this Covid: ministers ignored Sage advice to impose lockdown or face catastrophe
As I’ve said, if it’s implemented to protect nhs capacity (this will differ locally across all regions though) or to buy time for imminent vaccine, I’m in and reckon most would grudgingly buy into it as well. If not, many won’t. Polling is massively in favour but the public is being asked a binary question suggesting a one off circuit break to solve the problem.... it’s far more complex than that (which I know you and some others here appreciate not sure everyone does though )
ps everyone see the London palladium packed out...WTF!!!
Interesting. Of course schools and unis have a built in circuit breaker at Xmas anyway. Giving everyone two weeks off at Christmas with rules on travel and mixing households wouldn’t be that bad would it? Probably the least amount of economic and social impact.
I wonder if the hope is we can limp on until then and have the circuit breaker (hate that phrase) then.
Interesting. Of course schools and unis have a built in circuit breaker at Xmas anyway. Giving everyone two weeks off at Christmas with rules on travel and mixing households wouldn’t be that bad would it? Probably the least amount of economic and social impact.
I wonder if the hope is we can limp on until then and have the circuit breaker (hate that phrase) then.
There's a strong suggestion there's going to be a two week 'circuit breaker' around half term
My argument has always been waiting ends up costing more to the economy, whatever your hopes of protecting it are.Good point....appreciate it would very much be a limp as well !!!
People are putting this a straight economy v health decision. It’s not, it’s massively complex and as I’ve alluded to before it’s protecting the elderly (100% justifiable) but the cost in short and long term is likely to be borne by the young generation both socially and financially.
Wouldn't even necessarily have had to do that. I could think of plenty of spaces that are state owned that could have been adapted, to spread things out. Would have also provided jobs for people when setting up those spaces, therefore providing income to town centre shops etc...Why can’t the state pay the landlord of empty spaces to provide more socially distanced schooling?
Why is there no “low” level? Maybe no area would be in it atm (although I would think parts of the SW could be) but it still needs to be defined so it’s ready for when an area does reach it and gives communities something to aim at.
There is certainly a lack of creative thinking. I was saying all summer send the young kids to school so parents can go to work. Put as much of the curriculum online as you can and limit how much older kids are in while providing a backup option. Instead we’ve hoped for the best again.The conversation seems to have become binary again, like so much these days.
I’d have thought the debate should be where can we adapt so we don’t have to lockdown or have to lockdown as little as possible.
It seems to all be “total lockdown” vs “do nothing cos economy”. Where’s the innovation and thinking outside the box?
I’ve got to say the NZ closed island mode seems tempting from afar, but probably not realistic in an economy as integrated globally as ours is. Which leaves us with reducing spread as much as possible to avoid the need for lockdown. But still it’s all binary “open schools” vs “close schools” but no “do schooling differently” or “prioritise certain schooling”. Where’s the support for getting those without digital devices online or business moving online? Why can’t the state pay the landlord of empty spaces to provide more socially distanced schooling? Why aren’t we mandating masks everywhere?
It just feels like we’re obsessed with getting back to normal and letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. I’m just glad I’m healthy and safe in stable employment and it’s just academic to me. I hate to think how I’d feel if I worked in hospitality or education right now.
I have a friend who’s a TA. She said weeks ago that schools were being primed for this by word of mouth, nothing official. I think in many respects for the conservatives this is very much the EU again in that the party is split, experiencing civil war over a single issue and through a fear of doing something they’re doing nothing until forced. At which point the reaction will be bigger than what would have been required had they done something about it in the first place.There's a strong suggestion there's going to be a two week 'circuit breaker' around half term
Should have had tiers laid out 6 months ago. Would have avoided most of the confusion over what restrictions were in force.Why is there no “low” level? Maybe no area would be in it atm (although I would think parts of the SW could be) but it still needs to be defined so it’s ready for when an area does reach it and gives communities something to aim at.
Instead when we finally get to that point they’ll introduce another random system or just quietly drop the current. Clown shoes.
Solutions as opportunities. Hire out struggling venues to provide socially distance lecture halls.Wouldn't even necessarily have had to do that. I could think of plenty of spaces that are state owned that could have been adapted, to spread things out. Would have also provided jobs for people when setting up those spaces, therefore providing income to town centre shops etc...
Wouldn't even necessarily have had to do that. I could think of plenty of spaces that are state owned that could have been adapted, to spread things out. Would have also provided jobs for people when setting up those spaces, therefore providing income to town centre shops etc...
Used coronavirus tests handed out by mistake in Birmingham
One student who was given a used kit said some people had opened and used the testing kits.www.bbc.co.uk
Does Starmer's proposal involve keeping universities, as well as schools, open? It just seems nonsensical to shut everything down, bar the two biggest transmitters!
It's unis to online if needed.
It's not his proposal, it's the exact same as the leaked sage recommendations
Said similar yesterday. We are now in double-think territory.Interesting stat regarding the 42 Tory Covid rebels. 40 of them are brexiteers who think loosing billions from the economy in the name of brexit is all fine and dandy but when it comes to losing billions from the economy to save lives and protect the NHS its disgusting.
The debate between the government and Andy Burnham is interesting - Burnham wants to remain in Tier 2 but the government want Gt Manchester to go in to Tier 3.
The issue is now that the confidence of people within GM to go out and use bars and restaurants is ebbing away, so in many respects being in Tier 3 might end up a better option than businesses remaining open and unused.
Nearly 20k cases reported today. Number of tests again down and way below the alleged 'capacity'
Or someone has finally let go of them.....Burnham has grown some balls since 2015 that’s for sure
The debate between the government and Andy Burnham is interesting - Burnham wants to remain in Tier 2 but the government want Gt Manchester to go in to Tier 3.
The issue is now that the confidence of people within GM to go out and use bars and restaurants is ebbing away, so in many respects being in Tier 3 might end up a better option than businesses remaining open and unused.
Nearly 20k cases reported today. Number of tests again down and way below the alleged 'capacity'
I can't find what I am looking for but it does look like Greater Manchester and Lancashire will be going into Level 3 Lockdown tomorrow (Wednesday) as well.
It does make it sound like the government is doing stuff whilst the virus is growing to a point where people are dropping like flies all over the country.
TBF until Corbyn-mania hit Burnham was a shoe in for leader. He was by far the best of the three amorphous blobs in suits. Just had his left wing support nicked from under him.
Yeah, I thought he moved a bit further left once he saw Corbyn gaining momentum (pun not intended!) in order to try and head him off, rather than for any particular uber-left leaning tendencies.What left wing support..? He was just a little less right wing then his colleagues.
TBF until Corbyn-mania hit Burnham was a shoe in for leader. He was by far the best of the three amorphous blobs in suits. Just had his left wing support nicked from under him.
Honest question.Delusional is too small a word
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