Ring Of Steel
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Bad news for those amongst us going a bit thin on top...
Bald men at higher risk of severe case of Covid-19, research finds
Bald men at higher risk of severe case of Covid-19, research finds
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Seems to drag everyone slightly left compared to PC and maddening use of colours. Interesting though.
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clint van damme
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Jenrick has just got away with costing the tax payer 40 million on a dodgy property deal and none of the Tories gave said a word- that's hypocrisy.
He owes George Floyd a pint.
clint van damme
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No one can prove Cummings was responsible for the spike in Durham- no one can prove he wasn't.
But we do know he travelled with symptoms, against his own rules.
clint van damme
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You're mistaken. World class track and trace up and running this week Johnson said so.
clint van damme
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Look at 5he quote in this article from their chief executive. Supposedly from a leaked e-mail.
Not really a surprise
NHS test-and-trace system 'not fully operational until September'
tisza
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What is the relevance of June 15th as a date for all these UK measures atm?
See public transport etc. masks compulsory from June 15th. why not from today or even better from the beginning?
One of the 1st measures here was masks for public transport and no overcrowding either.
See public transport etc. masks compulsory from June 15th. why not from today or even better from the beginning?
One of the 1st measures here was masks for public transport and no overcrowding either.
NorthernWisdom
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In this case, I assume the delay in implementing from today is to give people a chance to get / make them.
skyblue1991
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Only correlation is the non-essential shops opening on the 15th June I believe. Also gives people time to obtain them in some way
tisza
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Ha. Okay I'd buy a wig and see if that fools it
Grant Shapps embarrassing himself (again) on the radio this morning.
Even gave it the 'we've only been in government since December' defence.
Just pathetic. That's the excuse that Karen and Barry on facebook use to defend their precious Boris, not an excuse you'd expect to hear from a cabinet minister ffs.
Even gave it the 'we've only been in government since December' defence.
Just pathetic. That's the excuse that Karen and Barry on facebook use to defend their precious Boris, not an excuse you'd expect to hear from a cabinet minister ffs.
fernandopartridge
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Indeed, but the point is that it resonates with the Karens of this world. I've seen a few posts on facebook of people saying its unprecedented, as if it is only the UK for whom this was unprecedented. People just see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. The brexit and subsequent election campaigns, from the Tory side have built this bizarre siege mentality "It's us or them" type thing and people for some reason do not see through it, or like somebody said, they don't want to reflect on what a fool they were for swallowing the crap.
skybluetony176
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Just goes to show that being positive about this government ain’t worth a wank. When they said earlier in the week that it would be the end of June before the track and trace would be up and running I said that means August then. Which at the time was taken as a negative comment, turns out it was a positive comment given they’re now saying it’s going to be September. Which probably means October if you want to be positive.
NorthernWisdom
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What I don't get is you can still be for the general concept of what the Tory party stands for, you can still be for Brexit... but you can still accept that the messaging around this whole thing has been pretty awful from our side.
That doesn't invalidate your other points of view (although there may be arguments to be made about how if this is how they manage this particular area, how are they going to manage the rest... but let's start by moving a little first, eh
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tisza
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It's still a Govt that was going on about being able to take strong, decisive measures on areas like Brexit and other policy areas but has failed at the 1st hurdle with COVID.What I don't get is you can still be for the general concept of what the Tory party stands for, you can still be for Brexit... but you can still accept that the messaging around this whole thing has been pretty awful from our side.
That doesn't invalidate your other points of view (although there may be arguments to be made about how if this is how they manage this particular area, how are they going to manage the rest... but let's start by moving a little first, eh
If you base your leadership on advising rather than insisting/forcing the necessary steps on dealing with this particular issue then you've failed.
You don't advise people not to carry guns or deal drugs or similar things are detrimental to public safety - you tell them through necesssary legislation and enforcement
NorthernWisdom
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As I said, there's certainly an argument to be made... but the 'art' as it were, is to get moving towards a consensus, surely?
The consensus on this pandemic is that the government needs to improve its messaging, and develop a strategy. If it does that it has a positive knock on effect for other things. If not, we need to be united that it's not good enough and that we as a people deserve better.
fernandopartridge
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What I don't get is you can still be for the general concept of what the Tory party stands for, you can still be for Brexit... but you can still accept that the messaging around this whole thing has been pretty awful from our side.
That doesn't invalidate your other points of view (although there may be arguments to be made about how if this is how they manage this particular area, how are they going to manage the rest... but let's start by moving a little first, eh
What's increasingly clear though that these issues are just symptomatic of what the Tory party stands for, and it is anything but the interests of Karen, Barry or anybody else.
Brighton Sky Blue
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When you swallow the sound bites and easy answers, and rub it in everyone’s face, you don’t have a right to complain. It’s incumbent on those with better and more popular policies and ideas to get better at electioneering.
Ring Of Steel
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You are dead right. If it was only the communication and message that the government got wrong then that wouldn't have been so bad, but when you make huge blunders of everything and then compound it with nonsensical communication & lies then you really do have a recipe for a complete catastrophe.
At the start we had people saying "not the time to call them out", "they are listening to scientists", parking all logic in some kind of act of blind faith (hope?), and in fact getting pretty wound up that some in the media/ elsewhere were pointing out the glaringly obvious mistakes, as if it was somehow in bad taste. As it turns out, surprise surprise, it was actually dead right to call out the mistakes that were being made. All this stupidity of putting unquestioning faith in what the govt said was always going to be a disaster- I mean look at them, incompetent, patently dishonest & pathetically inept- it was obvious from day one they were going to end up top of the pile for "worst handling of the virus", and thats exactly how it has turned out. Too many people happily consuming the soundbites & reassuring words, looking for a bit of hope which blinded them to reality, which is that these people have killed thousands while telling you that you should be proud of how they have handled it. Unbelievable stupidity, political loyalties or just desperate for hope, who knows, but if there is one thing to come out of it then I hope its that people stop swallowing all the bullshit from the govt and call it out as it is. Like you say- if you keep swallowing it then you're the mug, you're behaving exactly as they want you to and you have zero right to complain.
Now that is world beating.
Still, at least we'll have it up and running by September when there are about 2 new infections per day or something. Just in the nick of time.
Skybluefaz
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Yeah but ours is world leading.
The amount of times somebody has told me “they couldn’t have seen this coming”
@#%*!
1) There have been several readiness exercises for pandemics, even specifically for a novel coronavirus.
2) A pandemic is inevitable given a long enough duration of time.
3) The last 2 decades we’ve had several that could have become worse but were contained or didn’t spread.
4) As much as this applies to us it applies to every country and most are objectively doing better.
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What I don't get is you can still be for the general concept of what the Tory party stands for, you can still be for Brexit... but you can still accept that the messaging around this whole thing has been pretty awful from our side.
That doesn't invalidate your other points of view (although there may be arguments to be made about how if this is how they manage this particular area, how are they going to manage the rest... but let's start by moving a little first, eh
This is why many people condoned the culture war and populism bit of course we were shouted down.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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We are also in this position because of the failure of those with the right ideas to get their messaging and election strategy right. G was right about one thing, the Tories are experts at winning elections because they know how to play the game. Now when they're in, they're a mess because they're a) incompetent and b) working with a busted ideology, but that doesn't matter when you switch into gear every 5 years. I hope behind the scenes that Starmer and co are planning how to beat these people at their own game.
£1bn bailout for German giant from Covid fund — The Times and The Sunday Times
You’d like to think it’s strategic but you know it will partly come down to who is a party donor.
Strange how it’s the possibility of JLR receiving aid that has grabbed all the media attention.
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You’d like to think it’s strategic but you know it will partly come down to who is a party donor.
Strange how it’s the possibility of JLR receiving aid that has grabbed all the media attention.
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tisza
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It's not about an ability to deliver messages all the time. In this specific case it's about delivering definite, enforced rules, not advisable guidelines. Advisable guidelines don't work - eg pictures of the beaches etc. last few weeks, unclear fining systems and so on.
Nearly every other country (regardless of political persuasion of govts) produced clear rules/procedures with clear consequences if they weren't followed.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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At a McDonalds? Are you sure?
David O'Day
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Rolls-Royce announces hundreds of job cuts in Ansty and Solihull
He's a complete nob but I hope Coventrian gets through alright.
Grenners told me this would never happen though
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He's a complete nob but I hope Coventrian gets through alright.
Grenners told me this would never happen though
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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But when he did feel unwell he should have gone home - not gone to the chamber.