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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Sep 12, 2021
  • #51,521
Here's what I think will happen:

- Another lockdown will happen in the next few months
- Government will point the finger at the unvaccinated
- Government will then mandate covid passports
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 12, 2021
  • #51,522
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Here's what I think will happen:

- Another lockdown will happen in the next few months
- Government will point the finger at the unvaccinated
- Government will then mandate covid passports
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Probably, and I hope so.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 12, 2021
  • #51,523
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Here's what I think will happen:

- Another lockdown will happen in the next few months
- Government will point the finger at the unvaccinated
- Government will then mandate covid passports
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Spot on. I wonder if they'll get Nigel Farage to point at the unvaccinated like he does at dinghies in the channel when they scapegoat immigrants?
 
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Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 12, 2021
  • #51,524
PVA said:
This is no dig at shmmeee whatsoever, but how can he say that non vaccinated people should be refused treatment and no one says anything, but when I say they should only receive SSP when isolating I'm worse than Hitler?
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Nah I think his opinion is fucking woeful , he already knows I think that though so there's no point in going over it
 
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Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Sep 12, 2021
  • #51,525
PVA said:
Yes it was discussed a few days ago, they have now started releasing that data.

Latest figures are in the link in this tweet

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Thanks for this.

I expected better with the death rates. For example, there were 1119 deaths in the 80+ range but only 150 of those haven't been vaccinated. Isn't that a concern?
 
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PVA

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  • Sep 12, 2021
  • #51,526
skyblue1991 said:
Thanks for this.

I expected better with the death rates. For example, there were 1119 deaths in the 80+ range but only 150 of those haven't been vaccinated. Isn't that a concern?
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No it's not too much of a concern because so many of the 80+ range have been vaccinated. Is it 95% or something?

So case wise its almost a 50/50 split between vaccinated and non vaccinated, but the vaccinated have a much higher survival rate

Vaccinated: 391 cases per 100,000 people. Of which 36 died.

Non vaccinated: 427 cases per 100,000 people. Of which 121 died.

 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Sep 12, 2021
  • #51,527
Sick Boy said:
Yet another u-turn.
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It's almost like they don't know what they are doing.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 12, 2021
  • #51,528
Grendel said:
Would you not treat people who haven’t had flu vaccines? STD with no contraception? People who’ve had a reaction to ecstasy they willingly took?

Not really a great way to go
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Big weekend then
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,529
clint van damme said:
Spot on. I wonder if they'll get Nigel Farage to point at the unvaccinated like he does at dinghies in the channel when they scapegoat immigrants?
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He'll check to see what colour their skin is and where they're from first.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,530
Deleted member 9744 said:
It's almost like they don't know what they are doing.
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From The Times today
Downing Street has insisted that vaccine passports are still a “first-line defence” against a winter wave of Covid-19 after the health secretary said plans to introduce them had been scrapped.

No 10 said checks on the vaccine status of people going to nightclubs and other crowded events remained a crucial part of the government’s winter Covid plan due to be unveiled by the prime minister tomorrow.
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,531
chiefdave said:
From The Times today
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To be fair Javid has always been hopeless
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,532
Assuming the only options are close things down or vaccine passports. It’s vaccine passports for me.

Edit: They shouldn’t be the only options but here we are
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,533
What I really don't get is why we're talking nuclear options of shutdowns already, before we've even gone for the moderate measures.

And if we're already talking about potential shutdowns, why the hell is just about everybody returning to work in their offices now? Isn't that a bit counter-intuitive to do that right now, while the chat is about stopping people doing other things!
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,534
Grendel said:
It’s more to massage figures and increase vaccines - it would make more sense to either distribute elsewhere or hold back for booster requirements. There isn’t really any logic to have 12 year olds jabbed
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Blimey, so you think the UK government is now attempting to massage its figures then.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,535
Sick Boy said:
Blimey, so you think the UK government is now attempting to massage its figures then.
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it’s what Europe are doing by vaccinating children to use quantities and if we go the same route then clearly yes.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,536
Grendel said:
it’s what Europe are doing by vaccinating children to use quantities and if we go the same route then clearly yes.
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Not all European countries are vaccinating 12 year olds?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,537
Sick Boy said:
Not all European countries are vaccinating 12 year olds?
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many arw
Sick Boy said:
Not all European countries are vaccinating 12 year olds?
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From what I see all major countries - Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy Spain are which is the bulk of the population. in fact very few I can find aren’t
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,538
Spent the weekend with some friends who have now tested positive so I'm probably next up.

Done a lateral flow that was negative though, got a PCR coming to be sure.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,539
Grendel said:
many arw


From what I see all major countries - Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy Spain are which is the bulk of the population. in fact very few I can find aren’t
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So it’s not something that ‘Europe’ is doing then.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,540
Sick Boy said:
So it’s not something that ‘Europe’ is doing then.
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Well I’ve now checked some more and the only one in Western Europe I can see that has some restrictions is Sweden
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,541
There’s only one reason we and other countries are having to face vaccinating children. Herd immunity. Not enough adults are getting vaccinated. It takes pretty much 100% of the adult UK population to get vaccinated to achieve the numbers required for herd immunity. If “adults” in any numbers refuse the vaccine you have to look at other options. We’ve tried moving the goalposts from over 18’s to over 16’s still not enough. That only leaves 2 options. “Adults” refusing the vaccine grow the fuck up and take some responsibility for society or we move the goalposts again to catch a larger percentage of the population.
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,542
skybluetony176 said:
There’s only one reason we and other countries are having to face vaccinating children. Herd immunity. Not enough adults are getting vaccinated. It takes pretty much 100% of the adult UK population to get vaccinated to achieve the numbers required for herd immunity. If “adults” in any numbers refuse the vaccine you have to look at other options. We’ve tried moving the goalposts from over 18’s to over 16’s still not enough. That only leaves 2 options. “Adults” refusing the vaccine grow the fuck up and take some responsibility for society or we move the goalposts again to catch a larger percentage of the population.
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It's a great tool to keep kids in school.
Apparently.


Edit:- is there really any value in one jab?

Does a child who's had it benefit as they've already got antibodies, probably a hell of a lot of them.
Or is it one as a result of likely having infection related antibodies?
 

David O'Day

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  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,543
They're going to u-turn on their latest u-turn ain't they
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,544
Would a government be thankful that a margin of society wouldn't take a vaccine just in case ten years down the line everyone's chromosomes go on the blink Lol.
Tin hat on.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,545
David O'Day said:
They're going to u-turn on their latest u-turn ain't they
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You're going to have to be more specific, they make so many u-turns. Which one are you referring to?
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,546
chiefdave said:
You're going to have to be more specific, they make so many u-turns. Which one are you referring to?
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vaccine passports
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 13, 2021
  • #51,547
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2021
  • #51,548
wingy said:
It's a great tool to keep kids in school.
Apparently.


Edit:- is there really any value in one jab?

Does a child who's had it benefit as they've already got antibodies, probably a hell of a lot of them.
Or is it one as a result of likely having infection related antibodies?
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It possibly is a great tool to keep children in school given the adult population isn’t going to allow us to reach herd immunity.

There’s clearly some value in getting one vaccine but not nearly as effective as two. My guess is that they’ll see what effect one vaccine is having on the school population and the spread of the virus before U turning and rolling out a second.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 14, 2021
  • #51,549
David O'Day said:
They're going to u-turn on their latest u-turn ain't they
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 14, 2021
  • #51,550
Don’t really understand why vaccine passports are such a big issue for some. If you don’t want to get vaccinated just get tested and make that valid for 48-72 hours.
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 14, 2021
  • #51,551
Boosters to be announced which overall I think is good but AZ have been suggesting it’s not yet necessary other than elderly

Redirect Notice

www.google.co.uk
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2021
  • #51,552
Sick Boy said:
Don’t really understand why vaccine passports are such a big issue for some. If you don’t want to get vaccinated just get tested and make that valid for 48-72 hours.
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I can't understand why vacinne passports are such a big issue for some but voter ID cards aren't.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 14, 2021
  • #51,553
clint van damme said:
I can't understand why vacinne passports are such a big issue for some but voter ID cards aren't.
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I don’t agree with either
 
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clint van damme

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  • Sep 14, 2021
  • #51,554
Grendel said:
I don’t agree with either
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Exactly. I'm the same.
 

COV

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  • Sep 14, 2021
  • #51,555
Sick Boy said:
Don’t really understand why vaccine passports are such a big issue for some. If you don’t want to get vaccinated just get tested and make that valid for 48-72 hours.
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Nor me... must be missing something, if people want to get info on you they'll do it anyway- companies/ authorities know everything there is to know anyway, what difference does a vaccine passport make?
 
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