Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (5 Viewers)

[skyblue1991]

Yes it was discussed a few days ago, they have now started releasing that data.

Latest figures are in the link in this tweet

Thanks for this.

I expected better with the death rates. For example, there were 1119 deaths in the 80+ range but only 150 of those haven't been vaccinated. Isn't that a concern?

 

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[PVA]

Thanks for this.

I expected better with the death rates. For example, there were 1119 deaths in the 80+ range but only 150 of those haven't been vaccinated. Isn't that a concern?

No it's not too much of a concern because so many of the 80+ range have been vaccinated. Is it 95% or something?

So case wise its almost a 50/50 split between vaccinated and non vaccinated, but the vaccinated have a much higher survival rate

Vaccinated: 391 cases per 100,000 people. Of which 36 died.

Non vaccinated: 427 cases per 100,000 people. Of which 121 died.

 

[Hertsccfc]

Yet another u-turn.

It's almost like they don't know what they are doing.

 

[hill83]

Would you not treat people who haven’t had flu vaccines? STD with no contraception? People who’ve had a reaction to ecstasy they willingly took?

Not really a great way to go

Big weekend then

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Spot on. I wonder if they'll get Nigel Farage to point at the unvaccinated like he does at dinghies in the channel when they scapegoat immigrants?

He'll check to see what colour their skin is and where they're from first.

 

[chiefdave]

It's almost like they don't know what they are doing.

From The Times today

Downing Street has insisted that vaccine passports are still a “first-line defence” against a winter wave of Covid-19 after the health secretary said plans to introduce them had been scrapped.

No 10 said checks on the vaccine status of people going to nightclubs and other crowded events remained a crucial part of the government’s winter Covid plan due to be unveiled by the prime minister tomorrow.

 

[David O'Day]

From The Times today

To be fair Javid has always been hopeless

 

[hill83]

Assuming the only options are close things down or vaccine passports. It’s vaccine passports for me.

Edit: They shouldn’t be the only options but here we are

 

[NorthernWisdom]

What I really don't get is why we're talking nuclear options of shutdowns already, before we've even gone for the moderate measures.

And if we're already talking about potential shutdowns, why the hell is just about everybody returning to work in their offices now? Isn't that a bit counter-intuitive to do that right now, while the chat is about stopping people doing other things!

 

[Sick Boy]

It’s more to massage figures and increase vaccines - it would make more sense to either distribute elsewhere or hold back for booster requirements. There isn’t really any logic to have 12 year olds jabbed

Blimey, so you think the UK government is now attempting to massage its figures then.

 

[Grendel]

Blimey, so you think the UK government is now attempting to massage its figures then.

it’s what Europe are doing by vaccinating children to use quantities and if we go the same route then clearly yes.

 

[Sick Boy]

it’s what Europe are doing by vaccinating children to use quantities and if we go the same route then clearly yes.

Not all European countries are vaccinating 12 year olds?

 

[Grendel]

Not all European countries are vaccinating 12 year olds?

many arw

Not all European countries are vaccinating 12 year olds?

From what I see all major countries - Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy Spain are which is the bulk of the population. in fact very few I can find aren’t

 

[Liquid Gold]

Spent the weekend with some friends who have now tested positive so I'm probably next up.

Done a lateral flow that was negative though, got a PCR coming to be sure.

 

[Sick Boy]

many arw


From what I see all major countries - Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy Spain are which is the bulk of the population. in fact very few I can find aren’t

So it’s not something that ‘Europe’ is doing then.

 

[Grendel]

So it’s not something that ‘Europe’ is doing then.

Well I’ve now checked some more and the only one in Western Europe I can see that has some restrictions is Sweden

 

[skybluetony176]

There’s only one reason we and other countries are having to face vaccinating children. Herd immunity. Not enough adults are getting vaccinated. It takes pretty much 100% of the adult UK population to get vaccinated to achieve the numbers required for herd immunity. If “adults” in any numbers refuse the vaccine you have to look at other options. We’ve tried moving the goalposts from over 18’s to over 16’s still not enough. That only leaves 2 options. “Adults” refusing the vaccine grow the fuck up and take some responsibility for society or we move the goalposts again to catch a larger percentage of the population.

 

[wingy]

There’s only one reason we and other countries are having to face vaccinating children. Herd immunity. Not enough adults are getting vaccinated. It takes pretty much 100% of the adult UK population to get vaccinated to achieve the numbers required for herd immunity. If “adults” in any numbers refuse the vaccine you have to look at other options. We’ve tried moving the goalposts from over 18’s to over 16’s still not enough. That only leaves 2 options. “Adults” refusing the vaccine grow the fuck up and take some responsibility for society or we move the goalposts again to catch a larger percentage of the population.

It's a great tool to keep kids in school.
Apparently.


Edit:- is there really any value in one jab?

Does a child who's had it benefit as they've already got antibodies, probably a hell of a lot of them.
Or is it one as a result of likely having infection related antibodies?

 

[David O'Day]

They're going to u-turn on their latest u-turn ain't they

 

[wingy]

Would a government be thankful that a margin of society wouldn't take a vaccine just in case ten years down the line everyone's chromosomes go on the blink Lol.
Tin hat on.

 

[chiefdave]

They're going to u-turn on their latest u-turn ain't they

You're going to have to be more specific, they make so many u-turns. Which one are you referring to?

 

[David O'Day]

You're going to have to be more specific, they make so many u-turns. Which one are you referring to?

vaccine passports

 

[PVA]

 

[skybluetony176]

It's a great tool to keep kids in school.
Apparently.


Edit:- is there really any value in one jab?

Does a child who's had it benefit as they've already got antibodies, probably a hell of a lot of them.
Or is it one as a result of likely having infection related antibodies?

It possibly is a great tool to keep children in school given the adult population isn’t going to allow us to reach herd immunity.

There’s clearly some value in getting one vaccine but not nearly as effective as two. My guess is that they’ll see what effect one vaccine is having on the school population and the spread of the virus before U turning and rolling out a second.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

They're going to u-turn on their latest u-turn ain't they

 

[Sick Boy]

Don’t really understand why vaccine passports are such a big issue for some. If you don’t want to get vaccinated just get tested and make that valid for 48-72 hours.

 

[Grendel]

Boosters to be announced which overall I think is good but AZ have been suggesting it’s not yet necessary other than elderly

Covid: Booster jabs for over-50s expected to be announced

A single dose of Pfizer will be offered at least six months after a second dose, the BBC understands.

www.google.co.uk

 

[clint van damme]

Don’t really understand why vaccine passports are such a big issue for some. If you don’t want to get vaccinated just get tested and make that valid for 48-72 hours.

I can't understand why vacinne passports are such a big issue for some but voter ID cards aren't.

 

[Grendel]

I can't understand why vacinne passports are such a big issue for some but voter ID cards aren't.

I don’t agree with either

 

[clint van damme]

I don’t agree with either

Exactly. I'm the same.

 

[COV]

Don’t really understand why vaccine passports are such a big issue for some. If you don’t want to get vaccinated just get tested and make that valid for 48-72 hours.

Nor me... must be missing something, if people want to get info on you they'll do it anyway- companies/ authorities know everything there is to know anyway, what difference does a vaccine passport make?

 

[chiefdave]

Looks like we're back to all CEV, CV and over 50s getting boosters rather than just CEV.

They are saying the plan is still to do them at the same time as flu jabs but there's no start date for the boosters and flu jabs have already started

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

TV news this morning stated that boosters would be a single shot of pfizer for all over 50s administered 6 months after their 2nd original jab....

 

[NorthernWisdom]

TV news this morning stated that boosters would be a single shot of pfizer for all over 50s administered 6 months after their 2nd original jab....

You over 50 yet?

tbh we're late enough this time around we're probably OK for the coming year (especially if AZ are more confident) and they are saying it'll be an annual programme like flu... which I assume will allow for people pushing 50 but not quite there to pay for one, going forward from 2022!

 

[chiefdave]

tbh we're late enough this time around we're probably OK for the coming year (especially if AZ are more confident) and they are saying it'll be an annual programme like flu... which I assume will allow for people pushing 50 but not quite there to pay for one, going forward from 2022!

There's some promising results from tests of a combined flu and covid booster jab. Would be handy if that proves effective.