Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (25 Viewers)

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Sep 9, 2021

SBT said:
What’s naive about agreeing that most hospitalised Covid patients are unvaccinated? There are lots of sources for it, both here and around the world, so is there a good reason I shouldn’t take it as gospel? This isn’t something that’s just been plucked from Twitter, so not sure why you’re trying to compare it to the

It is not the statement itself, it is the fact that a lot of stuff previously posted as 'conspiracy theory' or written off because it came off Twitter, then something turns up which matches the narrative of some on here, and all of a sudden Twitter is a perfectly acceptable source.

The woman claiming that ICU for children was full around the whole country was paraded on here. Anyone that argued against it was given a load of shit, and then many said people who did so went quiet when it came out that she was bullshitting.

COV said:
So you're saying they're not naive then?

So no proof of any conspiracies then.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 9, 2021

Incontestable statement time.

Vaccines drastically reduce the risk of death and serious illness from Covid.

Everybody can agree with that... can't they?

SBT · Sep 9, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It is not the statement itself, it is the fact that a lot of stuff previously posted as 'conspiracy theory' or written off because it came off Twitter, then something turns up which matches the narrative of some on here, and all of a sudden Twitter is a perfectly acceptable source.

The woman claiming that ICU for children was full around the whole country was paraded on here. Anyone that argued against it was given a load of shit, and then many said people who did so went quiet when it came out that she was bullshitting.

I don’t know why you’re ranting about this when the only sources that people mentioned in this case were statements from the Prime Minister and the Chief Medical Adviser. Twitter never entered the equation. Presumably that’s enough for you to agree that the majority of Covid hospital patients are unvaccinated? Or are you still not convinced?

COV · Sep 9, 2021

SBT said:
I don’t know why you’re ranting about this when the only sources that people mentioned in this case were statements from the Prime Minister and the Chief Medical Adviser. Twitter never entered the equation. Presumably that’s enough for you to agree that the majority of Covid hospital patients are unvaccinated? Or are you still not convinced?

highly unlikely, they've all got an 'agenda'

SBT · Sep 9, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
So no proof of any conspiracies then.

On Tuesday you said the reports on potential new restrictions in October were deliberately leaked as part of a government psy-op to prepare the masses for a new lockdown, before accusing unnamed authorities of waging a “vaccine war” against the public. What was your source for that?

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Sep 9, 2021

COV said:
highly unlikely, they've all got an 'agenda'

Why are you talking to each other? You are the same person. Weird.

SBT said:
On Tuesday you said the reports on potential new restrictions in October were deliberately leaked as part of a government psy-op to prepare the masses for a new lockdown, before accusing unnamed authorities of waging a “vaccine war” against the public. What was your source for that?

Government policy on covid has been leaked previously. True or false?
Israel (the most vaccine advanced by numbers country) has said it needs boosters implemented now otherwise there will be another lockdown. True or false?

Trying to argue that something is a conspiracy because you have a different point of view is lazy.

SBT · Sep 9, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Why are you talking to each other? You are the same person. Weird.

Government policy on covid has been leaked previously. True or false?
Israel (the most vaccine advanced by numbers country) has said it needs boosters implemented now otherwise there will be another lockdown. True or false?

Trying to argue that something is a conspiracy because you have a different point of view is lazy.

True and true. Just waiting for you to connect all the dots for me now (Is Pepe Silvia involved at all?)

Constructing a narrative based on two vaguely related facts like that is pretty classic conspiracy theory stuff, but if calling you out on that makes me lazy, then I don’t know what to else to say. Hard to say much else until you offer any actual evidence for what you’re arguing, but then again I wasn’t the one rambling about proper sourcing earlier.

(Claiming that I am in fact another poster in disguise based on the fact that he keeps quoting me doesn’t really help your reputation either btw)

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 9, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
Incontestable statement time.

Vaccines drastically reduce the risk of death and serious illness from Covid.

Everybody can agree with that... can't they?

It’s should be but I’m not certain of everyone and certainly there’s a stubborn hardcore in society who think that Covid is a myth

PVA · Sep 9, 2021

ajsccfc said:
I used to be a bit fearful of needles mostly because of the horror stories you'd hear in school leading up to getting the BCG which was actually fine but you'd be led to thinking it was being delivered via rusty lance by a knight on speeding horseback.

When I had my first jab it bloody hurt, bled lots when they look the needle out and I had a big lump there for a few days. Think they must have hit a vein or muscle or something!

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 9, 2021

PVA said:
When I had my first jab it bloody hurt, bled lots when they look the needle out and I had a big lump there for a few days. Think they must have hit a vein or muscle or something!

Yeah my first hurt, barely noticed the second... and that one was done by a student doctor!

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Sep 9, 2021

SBT said:
True and true. Just waiting for you to connect all the dots for me now (Is Pepe Silvia involved at all?)

Constructing a narrative based on two vaguely related facts like that is pretty classic conspiracy theory stuff, but if calling you out on that makes me lazy, then I don’t know what to else to say. Hard to say much else until you offer any actual evidence for what you’re arguing, but then again I wasn’t the one rambling about proper sourcing earlier.

(Claiming that I am in fact another poster in disguise based on the fact that he keeps quoting me doesn’t really help your reputation either btw)

Reputation? Haha, you should get outside more. This isn't prison or something. Also, you shouldn't be pointing the finger at me. If you are running two accounts then you should be more careful about using them to back yourself up so blatantly all the time.

Again, you have called something a conspiracy because it doesn't fit your point of view. It is lazy. There is nothing false about what I said, which is something you literally just admitted. The country with the most jabs given is looking down the barrel of another lockdown, which is in all likelihood what will happen here. Given that the government have leaked policy several times during the pandemic, you would have to be incredibly naïve not to think it could happen in a scenario which could well cause a lot of backlash. Probably more than any of the decisions they have made so far.

If you cannot handle debate on such matters, take your two accounts and go play with your crayons instead.

COV · Sep 9, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Reputation? Haha, you should get outside more. This isn't prison or something. Also, you shouldn't be pointing the finger at me. If you are running two accounts then you should be more careful about using them to back yourself up so blatantly all the time.

Again, you have called something a conspiracy because it doesn't fit your point of view. It is lazy. There is nothing false about what I said, which is something you literally just admitted. The country with the most jabs given is looking down the barrel of another lockdown, which is in all likelihood what will happen here. Given that the government have leaked policy several times during the pandemic, you would have to be incredibly naïve not to think it could happen in a scenario which could well cause a lot of backlash. Probably more than any of the decisions they have made so far.

If you cannot handle debate on such matters, take your two accounts and go play with your crayons instead.

As an aside to all these pleasantries, I do like the way you end every post with a variation of "I claim victory", "you can't handle it"

fernandopartridge · Sep 9, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
That doesn't mean anything.

'I don't like your opinion so I'll jump on your posts and cry conspiracy.'

Get a life.

You're the one claiming ICU doctors on Twitter are lying for reasons unknown

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Sep 9, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
You're the one claiming ICU doctors on Twitter are lying for reasons unknown

People lie on twitter all the time. Are you really that stupid?

We had it on here not too long ago when an ICU worker claimed there were no beds left.

Hans, are we the baddies?

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 9, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
People lie on twitter all the time. Are you really that stupid?

We had it on here not too long ago when an ICU worker claimed there were no beds left.

Hans, are we the baddies?

That was someone who knew and friend of a nurse. They were mistaken

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 9, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
That was someone who knew and friend of a nurse. They were mistaken

Obviously comparable too - a one-off, as opposed to the collective wisdom of the scientific community.

fernandopartridge · Sep 9, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
People lie on twitter all the time. Are you really that stupid?

We had it on here not too long ago when an ICU worker claimed there were no beds left.

Hans, are we the baddies?

Is that the one that put something out then quickly corrected it and withdrew the tweet, pretty compelling evidence of a conspiracy Indeed

fernandopartridge · Sep 9, 2021

Public Health England about to start publishing vaccination status of cases

Been lobbied by consultant Twitter who have heard that Earlsdon Sky Blue says they're lying

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Sep 9, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
That was someone who knew and friend of a nurse. They were mistaken

Deleted member 5849 said:
Obviously comparable too - a one-off, as opposed to the collective wisdom of the scientific community.

fernandopartridge said:
Is that the one that put something out then quickly corrected it and withdrew the tweet, pretty compelling evidence of a conspiracy Indeed

So, I was right then.

Carry on in your echo chamber.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Sep 9, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
Public Health England about to start publishing vaccination status of cases

Been lobbied by consultant Twitter who have heard that Earlsdon Sky Blue says they're lying

When did I say that unvaccinated people making up large numbers in hospitals was a lie?

You are so deluded that you are just making things up now.

PVA · Sep 9, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
So, I was right then.

Carry on in your echo chamber.

There is a big difference between a lie and a mistake.

Evo1883 · Sep 9, 2021

OK I've had a look and am I reading correctly that over 40s basically are catching covid at a higher rate despite being fully vaccinated ?

Maybe I'm reading it wrong

Evo1883 · Sep 9, 2021

These are the death figures from same period

fernandopartridge · Sep 9, 2021

Evo1883 said:
OK I've had a look and am I reading correctly that over 40s basically are catching covid at a higher rate despite being fully vaccinated ?

Maybe I'm reading it wrong

Because the majority of over 40s are vaccinated. The vaccine isn't going to stop you catching it and never was going to.

Evo1883 · Sep 9, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
Because the majority of over 40s are vaccinated. The vaccine isn't going to stop you catching it and never was going to.

It's a strange one because it states on the government site that you are less likely to catch it in the first place .. that's why I was a bit shocked at those figures , your point on majority vaccinated makes it make sense

The death figures read well in terms of protection

fernandopartridge · Sep 9, 2021

Evo1883 said:
It's a strange one because it states on the government site that you are less likely to catch it in the first place .. that's why I was a bit shocked at those figures , your point on majority vaccinated makes it make sense

The death figures read well in terms of protection

Yeah, and let's be honest the virus is being allowed to let rip now in a way that it hasn't before. Hopefully there is how a good level of acquired + vaccine induced immunity to help with winter

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 9, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
Yeah, and let's be honest the virus is being allowed to let rip now in a way that it hasn't before.

Yup, vaccine can suppress transmission, but not as much as sitting in a living room by yourself.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Sep 9, 2021

Evo1883 said:
OK I've had a look and am I reading correctly that over 40s basically are catching covid at a higher rate despite being fully vaccinated ?

Maybe I'm reading it wrong

Its because us over 40s are hardcore party animals.....Gen X have been having it large since our 2nd (dose) summer of love....

fernandopartridge · Sep 9, 2021

Further to the earlier thread

wingy · Sep 9, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
Further to the earlier thread

Interesting reading his threads.
The timing of the booster jabs critical.
May not be just dithering or prevarication .
Israel jumping straight in with them may be counter productive further on I think.

fernandopartridge · Sep 9, 2021

wingy said:
Interesting reading his threads.
The timing of the booster jabs critical.
May not be just dithering or prevarication .
Israel jumping straight in with them may be counter productive further on I think.

I do wonder how much the booster is actually being driven by Pfizer

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 9, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
I do wonder how much the booster is actually being driven by Pfizer

In what sense?

fernandopartridge · Sep 9, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
In what sense?

It's been proactively pushing for booster programmes just months after rolling out its vaccine. It just feels like they're looking to exploit a lot of fear and unknown. It's cynical but they are an overtly commercial organisation:

Pfizer’s chief scientist defends vaccine booster push and jab potency

Philip Dormitzer says company opted for low-dose shot to avoid side effects

www.ft.com

wingy · Sep 9, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
It's been proactively pushing for booster programmes just months after rolling out its vaccine. It just feels like they're looking to exploit a lot of fear and unknown. It's cynical but they are an overtly commercial organisation:

Pfizer’s chief scientist defends vaccine booster push and jab potency

Philip Dormitzer says company opted for low-dose shot to avoid side effects

www.ft.com

In contrast the head of AZ was quoted along with his second in command being far more discerning about who would actually get/need it venturing as far to suggest mass boosters would also overload the NHS regards staff lost to the program.

SkyBlueScottie · Sep 10, 2021

Hopefully I'm just getting to the end of this bloody virus, until yesterday I've struggled to do anything since Bank Holiday Monday. Yesterday was the first day where my time was spent "normally" ie looking after myself , sitting up , watching TV,and I have got to say, I've never felt so rough in my life as I have done over the last week or so.
I honestly can't make any sense of it. At the same time, the MIL and her husband have had it, he has not had any jabs, and has found himself requiring assistance to breathe ( still doesn't believe Covid exists) my Sister in law, 8 months pregnant, not had any jabs, and while feeling poorly has thankfully not required hospital admission. I realise the above doesn't add to this thread in terms of it being a conspiracy etc , but wanted to say, remain on your guard, whether you belive Covid exists, or whether it was man made or a naturally occurring virus, whether you are willing to be vaccinated or not, I would advise you to take every precaution you can, so, wash your hands, keep a distance from others, because if you do get it, then there's a chance you are going to feel like absolute shit for a week or so, or possibly worse.

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