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robbiekeane

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  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,981
skybluetony176 said:
You’re wrong on the percentage of population jabbed and double jabbed too. It’s not a percentage of total population it’s the percentage of of over 18’s. Under 18’s account for about 21% of the U.K. population so it’s going to basically require 100% of the adult population to be double jabbed before we reach current estimates on herd immunity and we need to keep our fingers crossed that concerns regarding the delta variant and herd immunity turns out to be incorrect.
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robbiekeane said:
How am I wrong?
46.3m first doses, 36.2m of which have had second doses.

UK population 66.7m.

Not really sure what you’re on about?
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Crickets
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,982
I'm generally pro restrictions going but things like this make me wonder


The real answer is increased capacity in hospital but that won't happen overnight
 

robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,983
Nick said:
Which is why I was trying to confirm. I didn't say cause of death.

I asked Pete if it was anybody who died who had a positive COVID test in the last 28 days.

It's a simple question, you still didn't answer it.
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You know what's going to be interesting though, and just to be clear i'm a supporter of this metric and think its the most appropriate measure for covid deaths that we have and is statistically significant, is how this develops as we get more cases.

Noone is arguing the fact that using this measure includes a small number of people who have died from something unrelated but tested positive for covid in the last 28 days, just like it probably excludes people who have died from covid having tested positive 29+ days ago. The point is it's a proxy isn't it, and its statistically significant.

When cases absolutely skyrocket though, we will see this number go up from unrelated deaths. Using a ridiculous example to illustrate - if there were 35 million active cases of covid in the UK, 1 in every 2 deaths on average would flag up in this metric regardless of cause.

Not sure we will ever get to a level where it would obscure it though, so i just wasted 5 minutes writing this
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,984
fernandopartridge said:
It's just a big coincidence that a lot of people with a positive covid test happen to die within 28 days of that test obviously

The reduction in the number of deaths due to the vaccine disproves the nonsense behind your conspiracy theory
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There was no conspiracy theory.

A lot of people die every day without covid.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,985
Nick said:
There was no conspiracy theory.

A lot of people die every day without covid.
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They certainly will if all the beds are taken up by Covid patients.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,986
Nick said:
There was no conspiracy theory.

A lot of people die every day without covid.
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Yep in 2019 it was 600000 or 1643 a day
In 2020 it was 698000 or 1912 a day
 
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rexo87

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,987
fernandopartridge said:
I'm generally pro restrictions going but things like this make me wonder


The real answer is increased capacity in hospital but that won't happen overnight
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This is generally seen on Twitter as a lie. Not saying it definitely is but only 8k followers. Don’t trust someone just because they have the word doctor in their name


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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,988
rexo87 said:
This is generally seen on Twitter as a lie. Not saying it definitely is but only 8k followers. Don’t trust someone just because they have the word doctor in their name


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Yeah, it looks like BS from what I can see too.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,989
rexo87 said:
This is generally seen on Twitter as a lie. Not saying it definitely is but only 8k followers. Don’t trust someone just because they have the word doctor in their name


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Now deleted
 
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rexo87

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,990


So it was bollocks Katie. Cheers


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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,991
rexo87 said:


So it was bollocks Katie. Cheers


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I mean, she is right about the NHS being on its knees, but that shouldn't mean it's open season on just saying a load of mistruths.

Most of the reasons we have had restrictions is to stop the NHS being overwhelmed, but it gets overwhelmed extremely easily (separate argument as to why). Covid is not that menacing compared to something like Ebola. If that broke out here we would be absolutely fucked.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,992
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I mean, she is right about the NHS being on its knees, but that shouldn't mean it's open season on just saying a load of mistruths.

Most of the reasons we have had restrictions is to stop the NHS being overwhelmed, but it gets overwhelmed extremely easily (separate argument as to why). Covid is not that menacing compared to something like Ebola. If that broke out here we would be absolutely fucked.
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Not necessarily given that you can’t get asymptomatic Ebola and it’s transmitted only by contact with bodily fluids
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,993
rexo87 said:
This is generally seen on Twitter as a lie. Not saying it definitely is but only 8k followers. Don’t trust someone just because they have the word doctor in their name


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Dr Dre is one of the best producers of all time and a half decent rapper as well. That’s you proven wrong.

Say sorry
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,994
hill83 said:
Dr Dre is one of the best producers of all time and a half decent rapper as well. That’s you proven wrong.

Say sorry
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That DJ Dr Fox was a wrongun though.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,995
hill83 said:
Dr Dre is one of the best producers of all time and a half decent rapper as well. That’s you proven wrong.

Say sorry
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But what about your Robotniks, your Shipmans, your Ranjs? Your Pepper zeros? You can't just ignore them.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,996
Pile on.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,997
Skybluefaz said:
But what about your Robotniks, your Shipmans, your Ranjs? Your Pepper zeros? You can't just ignore them.
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Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,998
hill83 said:
View attachment 21092
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It's decent tbf.
 

Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #49,999
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I mean, she is right about the NHS being on its knees, but that shouldn't mean it's open season on just saying a load of mistruths.

Most of the reasons we have had restrictions is to stop the NHS being overwhelmed, but it gets overwhelmed extremely easily (separate argument as to why). Covid is not that menacing compared to something like Ebola. If that broke out here we would be absolutely fucked.
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Just seen this on twitter

Shes deleted her tweet the fucking prick.

Tweeting scaremongering stories that there are no paediatric ICU beds in the country is a scummy move.

Paediatric consultants all over twitter now saying this is bullshit and they're ok.

Can send people into a panic, we all adore our children and saying they can't be treated in an emergency is fucking low
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #50,000
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I mean, she is right about the NHS being on its knees, but that shouldn't mean it's open season on just saying a load of mistruths.

Most of the reasons we have had restrictions is to stop the NHS being overwhelmed, but it gets overwhelmed extremely easily (separate argument as to why). Covid is not that menacing compared to something like Ebola. If that broke out here we would be absolutely fucked.
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She's quite quickly corrected what she said
 
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COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #50,001
Saddlebrains said:
Just seen this on twitter

Shes deleted her tweet the fucking prick.

Tweeting scaremongering stories that there are no paediatric ICU beds in the country is a scummy move.

Paediatric consultants all over twitter now saying this is bullshit and they're ok.

Can send people into a panic, we all adore our children and saying they can't be treated in an emergency is fucking low
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What did this person say?

Edit: Yeah I just looked above and saw it
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #50,002
fernandopartridge said:
She's quite quickly corrected what she said
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Good. She should be more careful next time before making a claim of that magnitude.
 
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COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #50,003
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Good. She should be more careful next time before making a claim of that magnitude.
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You’re right, a very stupid thing to say. And if freaks like Laurence Fox and the rest of the fruitcakes follow suit with some of their claims then maybe there would be a bit more balance around the place in general.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #50,004
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Good. She should be more careful next time before making a claim of that magnitude.
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The chances are it's going to happen for respiratory illness in kids in the next few months whether that's covid or something else. Having read a bit on it, like adult ICU beds there isn't much capacity.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 21, 2021
  • #50,005
COV said:
You’re right, a very stupid thing to say. And if freaks like Laurence Fox and the rest of the fruitcakes follow suit with some of their claims then maybe there would be a bit more balance around the place in general.
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There doesn't need to be two sides of bullshit. None would be better.
 

baldy

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2021
  • #50,006
I’m genuinely pretty scared about where this is all leading to - the constant lying from Johnson,ie telling us we’d all be free at Easter if we had the jab,the constant shifting of the goalposts,a ‘ping’ system that is effectively locking shit loads of people away for days at a time even if there’s nothing potentially wrong with them…the list is endless
The more it all goes on,the more it makes you wonder if it really is all over a virus that’s still not the massive killer the news & media would have us believe - I do genuinely think our freedoms are slowly being taken away & as a country we‘re just too placid & believing Boris & his lies - you can see why France have been taking to the streets but,over here,there’s way too much apathy
I reckon there’ll be lockdowns again in a few weeks & it’s slowly starting to feel like the dark days of January all over again - very depressing times afoot
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2021
  • #50,007
Be great if the constant stream of bullshit from the government caused as much indignation as some random account on twitter.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2021
  • #50,008
baldy said:
I’m genuinely pretty scared about where this is all leading to - the constant lying from Johnson,ie telling us we’d all be free at Easter if we had the jab,the constant shifting of the goalposts,a ‘ping’ system that is effectively locking shit loads of people away for days at a time even if there’s nothing potentially wrong with them…the list is endless
The more it all goes on,the more it makes you wonder if it really is all over a virus that’s still not the massive killer the news & media would have us believe - I do genuinely think our freedoms are slowly being taken away & as a country we‘re just too placid & believing Boris & his lies - you can see why France have been taking to the streets but,over here,there’s way too much apathy
I reckon there’ll be lockdowns again in a few weeks & it’s slowly starting to feel like the dark days of January all over again - very depressing times afoot
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I think you need to put the bong down.

For a start the government have said self isolating when you’re pinged is entirely voluntary.

This is the first pandemic in our lifetime so of course it feels weird. But we’ve just followed very basic public health. And not even that for large chunks.

The most basic freedom is right to life. Putting a bit of cloth over your mouth or being asked to work from home isn’t the gulag. Yes we’ve had to limit people’s activities in a time of national crisis, just like people had to in the war, in fact during the war people had far far far less freedoms. (Yet the same people who witter on about freedoms today also love to bang on about the war and blitz spirit and the rest weirdly)
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2021
  • #50,009
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
There doesn't need to be two sides of bullshit. None would be better.
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That’s what he’s saying
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2021
  • #50,010
baldy said:
I’m genuinely pretty scared about where this is all leading to - the constant lying from Johnson,ie telling us we’d all be free at Easter if we had the jab,the constant shifting of the goalposts,a ‘ping’ system that is effectively locking shit loads of people away for days at a time even if there’s nothing potentially wrong with them…the list is endless
The more it all goes on,the more it makes you wonder if it really is all over a virus that’s still not the massive killer the news & media would have us believe - I do genuinely think our freedoms are slowly being taken away & as a country we‘re just too placid & believing Boris & his lies - you can see why France have been taking to the streets but,over here,there’s way too much apathy
I reckon there’ll be lockdowns again in a few weeks & it’s slowly starting to feel like the dark days of January all over again - very depressing times afoot
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At least 4m deaths my friend
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 22, 2021
  • #50,011
Sky Blue Pete said:
At least 4m deaths my friend
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Yeah its crazy that some still think there’s so kind of global conspiracy going on.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2021
  • #50,012
Nice for some I guess

Zoomtown-on-Sea? The lure of a new life on the coast

Remote working meant the Lancaster family could live anywhere - they found their sea view in Scarborough.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jul 22, 2021
  • #50,013
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Nice for some I guess

Zoomtown-on-Sea? The lure of a new life on the coast

Remote working meant the Lancaster family could live anywhere - they found their sea view in Scarborough.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Scarborough? In winter? Mmmm...
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 22, 2021
  • #50,014
Deleted member 5849 said:
Scarborough? In winter? Mmmm...
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I think more cushy middle class jobs being able to be done from wherever
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2021
  • #50,015
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think more cushy middle class jobs being able to be done from wherever
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How dare we rebalance the economy away from London and towards deprived coastal towns?

And you’re one to talk. A huge benefit when I was teaching was the knowledge that my work is spread all over the planet, there’s not an area without schools anywhere. I could’ve worked in Dubai, America, Barbados, anywhere.

In my new career most of my work is in Manchester or London until recently.
 
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