clint van damme
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Just read that the Pfizer vaccine has found to be effective against the so called UK strain. Good news
We just have to hope people turn up for the second jab and also don’t think they are indestructible after having the first.
Researchers warn of another Covid spike if people mix after vaccine
Behavioural psychologist says many people mistakenly think they are safe as soon as they receive jabwww.theguardian.com
The counter-argument to this is that people can (and should!) be able to change their behaviour once they’ve been vaccinated, and telling them otherwise only discourages them from getting it. These vaccines seem to be effective to an unprecedented degree, so telling people their lives won’t change if they take them is just wasting the amazing opportunity the scientists have given us.
The idea that you can still transmit the virus once vaccinated hasn’t been disproven, but there isn’t a huge amount of evidence that it’s ever been a problem with other major vaccines either. So again - are we looking a gift horse in the mouth by being ultra cautious?
(One word of caution for all of the above - Israel has vaccinated more of its population than anyone. And right now they also have the highest new case rates in the world too. So the science isn’t settled, and clearly the un-vaccinated can’t let their guard down at all)
This is where the government can help with messaging emphasising this
Government helpyou have been teaching from home to long it’s damaged your brain
The article is about after one only getting one dose, and before waiting the fortnight after the second dose.The counter-argument to this is that people can (and should!) be able to change their behaviour once they’ve been vaccinated, and telling them otherwise only discourages them from getting it. These vaccines seem to be effective to an unprecedented degree, so telling people their lives won’t change if they take them is just wasting the amazing opportunity the scientists have given us.
The article is about after one only getting one dose, and before waiting the fortnight after the second dose.
(There's a secondary argument too, that we need more information about transmission, and whether the Oxford one in particular stops that. If not, it'd be wise not to until everybody you socialise with has been vaccinated, beyond going to the shop etc to annoy Nick, anyway.)
Don't think we'll do an overnight open everything up but I agree that once you've done the top 9 groups we'll see things pretty rapidly opening. If they start opening things up and there's not a jump in cases then they can really speed up getting back to normal.Once the top 9 groups have had two jabs I would say that’s a green light for full reopening, with staggers before then.
The second para though is the danger, the extent of the protection conferred by the first jab is not as high as initially thought. The worry is that people relax their guard, they need to still behave with caution until the second jab.This isn't Johnson and Hancock just plucking an idea from thin air. Every scientist I've seen talk about this, has said it's the way to go. Like Brighton said, give more people a certain amount of protection, rather than less people more protection.
Father in law had his first jab and has been given a date for his second, around 10 weeks after his first. I presume everyone has been issued a second appointment.
For my wife it has been a massive comfort to know her dad has at least had the first jab and is more protected than before.
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Don't think we'll do an overnight open everything up but I agree that once you've done the top 9 groups we'll see things pretty rapidly opening. If they start opening things up and there's not a jump in cases then they can really speed up getting back to normal.
Are we suggesting that a bunch of 70+ year olds who, I would suggest, on the whole have abided by the Laws are suddenly going to completely change their mindset? And their families as well?
Personally I can’t see it.
Might be interesting to watch Israel's path and wait for some peer reviewed data, questions around the efficacy of the one dose of the Phizer vaccine.The messaging needs to be clear though, the government is keen to highlight the success of its vaccination programme which might dilute the fact that it's only a part vaccination. There are already murmurs of backbench Tories pushing for lockdown to be over as soon as the most vulnerable have had their first jab. If that happened the message it sends to people is that everything is OK.
History would suggest this time was always likely to be the worst point.1820 Deaths is a sobering number and a scandal that we are so far in to this and fucking it up worse now than we were in the first wave.
I suppose I'm being entirely reactionary to the number. Still, I really don't think it should be this bad. We could have done better.History would suggest this time was always likely to be the worst point.
That being said... maybe looking to warnings from history before various decisions based on the short-term, would have been handy!
Yep check Covid symptoms in other countries like Canada. Lots of lots of other ones than temperature and loss of smell or the other two main onesEx is back in hospital today, had to go grab the kids at lunch. Can’t keep any food down apparently, had real gastrointestinal issues. Last time they X-rayed her chest and said chest infection and sent her home.
I’ve never heard of these symptoms before, anyone else?
Oh and I hope she gets better really soonEx is back in hospital today, had to go grab the kids at lunch. Can’t keep any food down apparently, had real gastrointestinal issues. Last time they X-rayed her chest and said chest infection and sent her home.
I’ve never heard of these symptoms before, anyone else?
That’s my worry too, I just can’t help feeling that if there’s a way to mess up the vaccine rollout ‘no matter how small’ they’ll manage to find it.Ok but it’s essentially a trial/study on the population. My concern is also the government’s track record in general is abysmal.
So when people poo poo’d the 4000 deaths figure it seems the chart wouldn’t have been far out if we’d kept schools and other parts of the economy open
1820 deaths today and 38000 infections which is coming down but it’s still large Isn’t it and will still result in 1140 hospitalisations and 380 deaths or so in a couple of weeks. So so sad
I’m not certain that’s right I thought it was later and I thought whitty defended it saying it was an extrapolation. In any case without measures it wouldn’t take long to escalate to 4000 from 1850The 4K deaths estimate was based on incorrect/out of date data though Pete and related to the justification of the November national lockdown. Vallance apologised for using it the following week from memory. This current spike/wave is due to Xmas mixing and the new variant (not known or modelled in Nov)
when we didn’t get anywhere near that figure in Nov/Dec I’d imagine it may have damaged the public’s confidence in the scientific models, which then leads to people disregarding advice/rules etc. Not saying that’s had much bearing on the current situation (main reasons for which are as above) but keeping publics buy in is essential so inaccurate data can be dangerous
I’m not certain that’s right I thought it was later and I thought whitty defended it saying it was an extrapolation. In any case without measures it wouldn’t take long to escalate to 4000 from 1850
COVID-19: Vaccine booking website criticised after 'queue-jumping' claims
An online system for booking COVID vaccine appointments has been criticised after claims ineligible people have been using it to queue-jump and receive the jab.www.goqradio.com
Didn't know there was an online system to be honest, the info I've seen from both mine and my parents doctors has been you need to phone to book.COVID-19: Vaccine booking website criticised after 'queue-jumping' claims
An online system for booking COVID vaccine appointments has been criticised after claims ineligible people have been using it to queue-jump and receive the jab.www.goqradio.com
I have to admit I had a moment when I heard that total. Shocking. I only fear it’s still going to get worse before it starts getting better.1820 Deaths is a sobering number and a scandal that we are so far in to this and fucking it up worse now than we were in the first wave.
My sister in laws partner in Holland lost about 4 stone in weight with itEx is back in hospital today, had to go grab the kids at lunch. Can’t keep any food down apparently, had real gastrointestinal issues. Last time they X-rayed her chest and said chest infection and sent her home.
I’ve never heard of these symptoms before, anyone else?
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