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.. without anyone mentioning the H..... guy. Wow.

I wonder if people not going - and make a statement about not going - is turning the issue into a personal quest? If so, then naturally the most important thing must be to seek justification and measure the results of their quest. Funny thing though is someone called those who go 'lemmings' when...

That made me smile.

a maximum of 60% according to FFP.

If we could only add the odd £13m revenue from ACL.

The sentence in bold ... that's what I believe they've done. They want to buy at a price found by two consultants each doing a full due diligence. What is the answer from CCC? Anybody know?

Oh I am pretty sure the results will be very much the same. But nobody trust sisu - certainly ccc do not trust sisu - and so nobody would give any credence to a valuation made by sisu's appointed expert. I am sure sisu don't trust ccc either - so a call for two valuations is not bad in my opinion.

The club is not debt free and haven't been for a few years. We owe around £10m to an external creditor - ARVO - who hold a charge over all assets. ARVO could well be controlled by sisu, but we don't know. In any case - my point is that if sisu walks, they will most likely be replaced by ARVO -...

Surely the ccc's accounts show the real value of ACL? Otherwise you are accusing them of ... ehm ...creative bookkeeping. In any case - if their books shows a false value it should be corrected independently of any outside circumstances!

Who do you think will be the new owner if sisu decides to walk should they lose the JR? My favourite (I don't mean they are my preferred new owners, but the most likely!) is ARVO - will that make you any happier?

To make an offer you need a valuation. To find a valuation you need access to the full and present accounts as well as contracts and other legal obligations ... a due diligence. That require acceptance from ACL. Isn't that what sisu is asking? Let two independent consultants one appointed by...

Fine. I think we can all live with that. But what about our club? We need ACL as part of the club - no matter who owns the club.

According to our resident forensic accountant they have secured investment of some £30m+ till now. Returning to top level football require a competitive FFP level. That is only possible with the club owning the revenue of ACL.

It seems pretty clear we can't force sisu out. Every trick in the book has been tested - and sisu are still here. I'd rather we returned to the Ricoh owning ACL and start moving back to top level football.

Ann Lucas never offered an olive branch, did she? A new rental agreement is out of the question if we want to return to top flight football. A new rental agreement is all Ann Lucas has ever suggested. I think it is unlikely sisu can distress ACL. Even if ACL need to replace their £14m loan it...

I think that is posturing. She is taking an extreme position giving room for negotiation. She is in no hurry - she is not too concerned about us playing at Sixfields. She is counting on the upcoming JR - if they win her position will be much stronger. It shouldn't really be the outcome of the...

Two things - 1) Forget the 120m building cost. What the club need is owning the revenue generated at the Ricoh. Owning ACL will accomplish this. So the club need to buy the shares in ACL. Then they need a very long lease (99yr or even 120yr). The real sticking point is what price CCC will set on...

If they buy the shares in ACL and get a 99yr long lease it's practical the same as owning the Ricoh ... only the bricks and mortar is still owned by CCC. But the club and stadium will be united under the same owner (SBS&L) and all revenue 360 days/yr will belong to the club and count towards the...

A price the parties can agree.

I think they have taken the initiative. A valuation require a due diligence. For that you need access to the accounts, contracts and everything legal. As no part trust the other a valuation should be made by independent consultants. preferably by two independent consultants - one appointed by...