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But neither a rental deal at sixfields or a rental deal at the Ricoh is the goal. Both are simply interim solutions. A short term rental deal at the Ricoh was NOT offered on acceptable terms before they signed the ground share deal. In any case - the goal is for the club to own its own stadium...

Not many believed they would liquidate - yet it happened. Not many believed (ACL made their whole strategy on it) they had transferred all the players to Holdings - yet they had. And that is just two things not many believed when they said. Now, do you want to bet your house that sisu are not...

It's minutes from a meeting with TF - what did you expect???

The club is being charged interest on the ARVO (some £12m) loans. OSB didn't find evidence the interests had been paid out - only accrued. Did he also say the initial loans are now charging interest? I think so, but is the interest also simply added to the debt?

So you have found one good reason for sisu to write off debts. That was actually hat I hoped for - now I am sure you can see how sisu can write off more debts, if it suits them. Remember this next time anyone argues about how hamstrung the club are due to the high debt level.

Come to think of it - I can't remember any of those constantly quoting a debt figure of £70m even asking why it's now only £45m.

Really? Was that the offer with a 10 year lease? Or the offer depending of abandoning the JR? Or are you referring to the offer made after the deal with Northampton was signed?

Your debt figures are grossly overstated - and you don't really realize the initial debt to the funds could probably be bought for a fraction of its nominal value. But never mind that - I am curious to hear your opinion on the club wanting to buy the shares in ACL (and a new extra long lease...

That depends on the alternative options available. At the time they negotiated ground share there was not a better offer on the table. At this point in time - well, it's just too late and the parties are fighting it out in courts. Hopefully better options comes on the table when the fighting stops.

You almost lost the argument there :-) But overall I agree.

From a strategic point of view - yes, if the aim is to either own ACL or build a new stadium.

So morals and ethics are not the real reasons you want CCC to win. Well, no matter who wins - I am sure the decision will be made on factual evidence and based on the law. W hatever you or I believe or think or feel will have no influence.

... and if it comes out during the JR that sisu and CCC actually made a joint plan to distress the YB mortgage? What then? Would you still want CCC to win?

Look, it was all about breaking the lease. Which they did - no matter who put the club in administration. Sisu did try during rent negotiation and before entering administration to tie an opt-out clause (three years if I remember correctly), but ACL said no. The club is not going back on a...

Is that true though? Buying Higgs shares won't give the club control over ACL, so I don't think ACL revenue can be used in FFP calculation.

This show that FL is not a sisu puppet as suggested. They are just as much open to arguments and pressure from 'the other side'. In my opinion it's all about the JR. Sisu will show all their 'plans and preparations' for a new stadium and argue they are well and truly on track. I wouldn't be...

Ok - my mistake. What's the difference though?

Oh, I think Nick meant that some are paid to make us believe that sisu are to blame?

Ron actually said 'normal suspects' - so I wasn't offended. Long time since anyone called me 'normal'.

That's almost the same argument by NOPM and sisu-out, isn't it? 'What hurts sisu is good. If the club gets trashed in the process, so be it'?