Do you want to discuss boring politics? (17 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

No you wouldn’t

You’re right. You wouldn’t even see the 5%

 

[Grendel]

You’re right. You wouldn’t even see the 5%

The last time there was a significant reduction was when Sunak did it. Every supermarket and all stations owned by the big suppliers did it overnight. Every penny was passed straight to the consumer.

The smaller franchises won’t have done but that isn’t even profiteering it’s because they have already had to secure barrels from depots at the original price but can’t store so they will lag. Dont come back either with some claim a BP garage up the road didn’t pass it on as this won’t be a BP garage it will be a franchise operation with exclusivity of supply but still has to advance purchase.

 

[skybluetony176]

The last time there was a significant reduction was when Sunak did it. Every supermarket and all stations owned by the big suppliers did it overnight. Every penny was passed straight to the consumer.

The smaller franchises won’t have done but that isn’t even profiteering it’s because they have already had to secure barrels from depots at the original price but can’t store so they will lag. Dont come back either with some claim a BP garage up the road didn’t pass it on as this won’t be a BP garage it will be a franchise operation with exclusivity of supply but still has to advance purchase.

Not according to the AA and RAC they didn’t. They fell by about 2-3 pence at some establishments then quietly and quickly went up again.

 

[wingy]

I'm pretty sure Rachel was anticipating just this scenario when she gave the dictat that all service stations had to go digital displaying prices as and when?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Why would it have no impact?

We’re just economically boxed in. My hunch is that, even if there wasn’t a huge detrimental impact on tax-take, Gilt prices would increase even further so at that point you’re essentially doubling the loss.

It's a good job we can create £ at the drop of a hat isn't it. Self financing state

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/bartlett/publications/2022/may/self-financing-state-institutional-analysis

 

[skybluetony176]

Petrol stations accused of pocketing fuel duty cut

Treasury Select Committee chair claims retailers not customers benefitted from the tax cut.

www.bbc.co.uk

Less than half of fuel duty cut passed on to UK drivers, says AA

The 5p-a-litre reduction announced in Rishi Sunak’s spring statement began at 6pm on 23 March

www.theguardian.com

Are petrol stations passing on 5p fuel duty cut to drivers?

www.rac.co.uk

Fuel prices drop by as little as ONE penny per litre despite 5p duty cut

FUEL prices have dropped by as little as a penny per litre despite Rishi Sunak’s 5p duty cut to help hard-pressed drivers. Last month the Chancellor announced a historic 5p cut to fuel duty i…

www.thesun.co.uk

Did you know that the word gullible isn’t in the dictionary?

 

[Grendel]

Petrol stations accused of pocketing fuel duty cut

Treasury Select Committee chair claims retailers not customers benefitted from the tax cut.

www.bbc.co.uk

Less than half of fuel duty cut passed on to UK drivers, says AA

The 5p-a-litre reduction announced in Rishi Sunak’s spring statement began at 6pm on 23 March

www.theguardian.com

Are petrol stations passing on 5p fuel duty cut to drivers?

www.rac.co.uk

Fuel prices drop by as little as ONE penny per litre despite 5p duty cut

FUEL prices have dropped by as little as a penny per litre despite Rishi Sunak’s 5p duty cut to help hard-pressed drivers. Last month the Chancellor announced a historic 5p cut to fuel duty i…

www.thesun.co.uk

Did you know that the word gullible isn’t in the dictionary?

Ok Tony and read beyond the headline

Full fuel duty cut not being passed on to drivers

Big retailers have passed on the 5p per litre cut, but smaller forecourts have yet to re-stock.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[ccfc1292]

A true man of the people, cheers our Andy

 

[mmttww]

People: f*cking Labour just hand out money.
People: subside my petrol you Labour c*nts!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

A true man of the people, cheers our Andy

What you moaning about now

 

[Grendel]

People: f*cking Labour just hand out money.
People: subside my petrol you Labour c*nts!

how is it subsidising exactly?

 

[chiefdave]

What you moaning about now

People seem to be upset that you can easily look up which garage you drive past is going to have the cheapest petrol

 

[mmttww]

how is it subsidising exactly?

It's a subsidy in the same way petrol prices are something any government can realistically do sweet f*ck all to control i.e. it's not, but I wasn't aiming for absolute accuracy or seriousness in that post, in case that needs explaining.

 

[wingy]

People seem to be upset that you can easily look up which garage you drive past is going to have the cheapest petrol

Least expensive?

 

[Grendel]

It's a subsidy in the same way petrol prices are something any government can realistically do sweet f*ck all to control i.e. it's not, but I wasn't aiming for absolute accuracy or seriousness in that post, in case that needs explaining.

Well of course they can as the wholesale prices are nothing like the cosy the consumer pays - same as any goods that are taxed

 

[ccfcchris]

The Tax Poem


Tax his land, Tax his bed, Tax the table at which he's fed.

Tax his tractor, Tax his mule, Teach him taxes are the rule.

Tax his work, Tax his pay, He works for peanuts anyway!

Tax his cow, Tax his goat, Tax his pants, Tax his coat.

Tax his ties, Tax his shirt, Tax his work, Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco, Tax his drink, Tax him if he tries to think.

Tax his cigars, Tax his beers, If he cries tax his tears.

Tax his car, Tax his gas, Find other ways to tax his ass.

Tax all he has, Then let him know, That you won't be done till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers, Then tax him some more, Tax him till he's good and sore.

Then tax his coffin, Tax his grave, Tax the sod in which he's laid.

Put these words Upon his tomb, 'Taxes drove me to my doom...'

When he's gone, Do not relax, Its time to apply the inheritance tax.

Bill Masen.

 

[mmttww]

Well of course they can as the wholesale prices are nothing like the cosy the consumer pays - same as any goods that are taxed

Yeah, got that, but like has been pointed out, it's not a given that knocking X amount of fuel duty off the cost to retailers will mean X amount is taken off the price paid at the pump. Just feels like a lazy stick to beat a government with.

 

[Marty]

People seem to be upset that you can easily look up which garage you drive past is going to have the cheapest petrol

It's thick as fuck behaviour driving out of your way to a petrol station for cheaper fuel. If your tank holds 50 litres, getting it 4p a litre cheaper saves you £2, You'll probably end up spending more driving to the station and back then the actual saving.

 

[PVA]

It's thick as fuck behaviour driving out of your way to a petrol station for cheaper fuel. If your tank holds 50 litres, getting it 4p a litre cheaper saves you £2, You'll probably end up spending more driving to the station and back then the actual saving.

Well yeah but if you drive past 3 petrol stations on your way to work or whatever it doesn't hurt to know which one is cheapest

 

[chiefdave]

Well yeah but if you drive past 3 petrol stations on your way to work or whatever it doesn't hurt to know which one is cheapest

Exactly, there's a couple of garages on my way home that would probably add about 60 seconds to my journey but I don't drive past them to see what the price is and even if I did I wouldn't know what the price was at the ones further along the route.

Doesn't hurt to be able look it up before I start the drive so I can go to the one what will save me a few quid. Even if its only £2 a week why not.

 

[Marty]

Well yeah but if you drive past 3 petrol stations on your way to work or whatever it doesn't hurt to know which one is cheapest

Do it on the return journey?

 

[PVA]

Do it on the return journey?

This feels like splitting hairs or moaning for moanings sake.

It's hardly a controversial flagship policy, it's a tiny change that might help some people

 

[Legionairre]

This feels like splitting hairs or moaning for moanings sake.

It's hardly a controversial flagship policy, it's a tiny change that might help some people

Really?

think everyone has eyes and drives past petrol stations every day and pretty much are the same price or will know which one is the cheapest in the area

Its a shit gimmick which doesn’t help anyone out

since Burnham has come in, what’s he actually done to help the average Joe blogg?

 

[PVA]

Really?

think everyone has eyes and drives past petrol stations every day and pretty much are the same price or will know which one is the cheapest in the area

Its a shit gimmick which doesn’t help anyone out

since Burnham has come in, what’s he actually done to help the average Joe blogg?

Why are you getting angry about something that doesn't affect you? So it might not help you but it might help some people

 

[Legionairre]

Why are you getting angry about something that doesn't affect you? So it might not help you but it might help some people

Who’s getting angry? I find it funny tbh

It’s a pathetic gimmick which doesn’t help anyone. apart from services all petrol pumps are the same price maybe 1-2p cheaper depending on where

And if somewhere is a penny cheaper by the time you’ve drove there you wouldn’t have achieved anything because of the petrol used to get there

People want proper policies coming in. let’s see what the budget brings but for someone who is a man of the people he’s done nothing thus far to help anyone during this cost of living crisis

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Who’s getting angry? I find it funny tbh

It’s a pathetic gimmick which doesn’t help anyone. apart from services all petrol pumps are the same price maybe 1-2p cheaper depending on where

And if somewhere is a penny cheaper by the time you’ve drove there you wouldn’t have achieved anything because of the petrol used to get there

People want proper policies coming in. let’s see what the budget brings but for someone who is a man of the people he’s done nothing thus far to help anyone during this cost of living crisis

This is so GIMOC

 

[wingy]

Who’s getting angry? I find it funny tbh

It’s a pathetic gimmick which doesn’t help anyone. apart from services all petrol pumps are the same price maybe 1-2p cheaper depending on where

And if somewhere is a penny cheaper by the time you’ve drove there you wouldn’t have achieved anything because of the petrol used to get there

People want proper policies coming in. let’s see what the budget brings but for someone who is a man of the people he’s done nothing thus far to help anyone during this cost of living crisis

Maybe introduce more competition again although the pump price is dependent on the brand they're supplying.

 

[Legionairre]

Maybe introduce more competition again although the pump price is dependent on the brand they're supplying.

Competition?

when something is a necessity, you never get competition you get greed by both the government and the supplier

that’s why the government can do something but decide not to

 

[Hybridtheory]

Much as Andrew Mountbatten is a douche bag surely his case has to be thrown out now

 

[CovValleyBoy]

All gone quiet on the Mandelson front too.
& Paula Vennells of Post Office infamy. Some never appear to face justice. The can is kicked well & truly into the long grass.

 

[SBAndy]

Really?

think everyone has eyes and drives past petrol stations every day and pretty much are the same price or will know which one is the cheapest in the area

Its a shit gimmick which doesn’t help anyone out

since Burnham has come in, what’s he actually done to help the average Joe blogg?

Knocked the VAT off your leccy bill.

 

[ccfc1292]

What you moaning about now

Do you need help reading that post?

How about rather than a map (assume they've paid Google etc to add this) that points out Tesco/Asda etc are the cheapest for fuel... they do something else that would actually help the "common man"?

I'm not entirely sure what they could do though on expensive fuel prices.... really stumped tbf on this one, what else could the government in power do?

 

[mmttww]

what else could the government in power do?

 

[fernandopartridge]

I tried Andy Burnham's google maps thing and just ended up putting 20 quids' worth in like normal, saved me fuck all.

 

[ccfc1292]

People: f*cking Labour just hand out money.
People: subside my petrol you Labour c*nts!

Wow, spectacular