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Nick

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Amazing they are still walking about.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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Actually forgive me anyone can but dpp can take it over at any time
Pure theatre from Farage and the boys
 

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Actually forgive me anyone can but dpp can take it over at any time
Pure theatre from Farage and the boys

Even if what you are saying, which is a bit silly, is true - who's allowing them to take advantage of it?

This incident was a big load of petrol on the fire for those riots, and these people are still walking the streets. Surely you see that it both simulataniously raises suspicion for normal people, and encourages the far-right as well.

The whole thing is a joke.
 

MalcSB

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Actually forgive me anyone can but dpp can take it over at any time
Pure theatre from Farage and the boys
Yes DPP can take it over at any time, however if they do at least Farage will have got it moving.

So a little more than pure theatre.
Starmer could do with acting.
Having said that, the first 100 days have been pure farce.
 

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So after 4 months with no charges being laid by our two tier justice (I use the word loosely) system, Farage is going to bring a private prosecution against the thugs who broke a WPC nose and assaulted other armed police officers. All caught on camera, of course. Plenty of evidence you might have thought.
Farage appears to be claiming he has information that isn't in the public domain that he is somehow being blocked from revealing which leads to the question, is Farage the only MP to whom parliamentary privilege doesn't apply?
 

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Farage appears to be claiming he has information that isn't in the public domain that he is somehow being blocked from revealing which leads to the question, is Farage the only MP to whom parliamentary privilege doesn't apply?
Doesn’t parliamentary privilege only apply to things said in the house? And even then I think there are some rules.
 

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Doesn’t parliamentary privilege only apply to things said in the house? And even then I think there are some rules.

Unless he’s about to leak national security secrets or commit a crime I think he’s OK.
 

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Doesn’t parliamentary privilege only apply to things said in the house? And even then I think there are some rules.
you may have forgotten given how little time he spends doing his job but he's an MP now so not difficult for him to do that
 

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you may have forgotten given how little time he spends doing his job but he's an MP now so not difficult for him to do that
I did think it a little pot, kettle, black when Starmer challenged Farage about how much time he has been abroad given the amount of time Starmer seems to be spending on foreign soil.
 

MalcSB

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You absolute can. Protection from defamation law is the entire point.
You cant directly say someone is lying, a euphemism is acceptable.

Starmer is Prime Minister Malc.
Sadly yes. He does seem to have been overseas a lot though. The latest was taking 470 delegates to a not fit for purpose COP. I thought it pretty poor that he wasn't here for the first Remembrance Day as Prime Minister.
 

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You cant directly say someone is lying, a euphemism is acceptable.


Sadly yes. He does seem to have been overseas a lot though. The latest was taking 470 delegates to a not fit for purpose COP. I thought it pretty poor that he wasn't here for the first Remembrance Day as Prime Minister.

No you’re confusing unparliamentary language which will get you a telling off from the speaker with parliamentary privilege which prevents you from getting sued for defamation. Tom Watson called a bunch of people pedophiles and if he’s done that outside the house he could have been sued as he was wrong. But he couldn’t be and as he wasn’t calling another member a liar it wasn’t unparliamentary language either.

If Farage has information he can stand up in the House of Commons and say it and no one can stop him.
 

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Surely it just needs to run its course? Any attempts to accelerate, use parliamentary privilege or other prosecutions, means they are less likely to be convicted due to not being able to get a fair trial.
 

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Surely it just needs to run its course? Any attempts to accelerate, use parliamentary privilege or other prosecutions, means they are less likely to be convicted due to not being able to get a fair trial.
Wouldn't this be a useful stick to beat Starmer with or farage if it appears he's scuppered it?
 

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Surely it just needs to run its course? Any attempts to accelerate, use parliamentary privilege or other prosecutions, means they are less likely to be convicted due to not being able to get a fair trial.

That's if they even get a trial.

Said at the time, the fact they were demanding compensation for police brutally it will probably just mean it's just that they get let off.
 

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Fuck the rules Farage only wants what’s best

Are you malfunctioning? I know you think you are being funny, but it comes across as being a bit of a wet blanket hunting for likes.

You didn't respond to my post, so I assume you've got nothing reasonable to say about the actual crimes?

No you’re confusing unparliamentary language which will get you a telling off from the speaker with parliamentary privilege which prevents you from getting sued for defamation. Tom Watson called a bunch of people pedophiles and if he’s done that outside the house he could have been sued as he was wrong. But he couldn’t be and as he wasn’t calling another member a liar it wasn’t unparliamentary language either.

If Farage has information he can stand up in the House of Commons and say it and no one can stop him.

Let's say Farage comes out and says what he has heard...

For reference, that seems to be something along the lines of the father of the killer being involved in the genocides in Rwanda, and Kier Starmer personally representing him and fighting for him to stay in the UK.

You really think he thinks he's going to get away with it? Given some of the madness going on at the moment, it isn't really surprising to me that some people are forcing the issue rather than playing themselves into trouble.
 

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Are you malfunctioning? I know you think you are being funny, but it comes across as being a bit of a wet blanket hunting for likes.

You didn't respond to my post, so I assume you've got nothing reasonable to say about the actual crimes?



Let's say Farage comes out and says what he has heard...

For reference, that seems to be something along the lines of the father of the killer being involved in the genocides in Rwanda, and Kier Starmer personally representing him and fighting for him to stay in the UK.

You really think he thinks he's going to get away with it? Given some of the madness going on at the moment, it isn't really surprising to me that some people are forcing the issue rather than playing themselves into trouble.
Isn’t that the Southport stabbings, not the Manchester Airport Incident. I wasn’t aware that anyone had been killed in the latter incident!
 
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Surely it just needs to run its course? Any attempts to accelerate, use parliamentary privilege or other prosecutions, means they are less likely to be convicted due to not being able to get a fair trial.
Not get a fair trial? It’s not as if there isn’t clear video evidence of them assaulting police officers.
 

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Isn’t that the Southport standings, not the Manchester Airport. I wasn’t aware that anyone had been killed in the latter incident!

I think the two are blending into different threads. That being said, there is some cross over generally.
 

MalcSB

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Actually forgive me anyone can but dpp can take it over at any time
Pure theatre from Farage and the boys



Manchester police have handed over the information to the DPP, the delay in charging is with them. Do we know anyone who might retain some influence there?
DPP can take over the prosecution, and could choose to drop it. I would imagine that would result in quite an abreaction.
 

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FFS, we're not still banging on about a two tier justice system are we?

Do your own research. The average time it was taking for cases to get to court was 200 days or more back in 2023, and it's got significantly worse since then. There's a vast backlog in the courts and in the CPS case files, and strangely enough that also got considerably worse under the last government.

The only cases that got turned around quickly have been the rioters, which was a government choice to stem widespread disorder.

Everyone else has to grind through the system, no matter how black and white your personal opinion on it is. It's not a fucking conspiracy.

If this particular case upsets you, then that's down to you, but I can't see any evidence that this is being treated differently to any other affray, assault, or assault police officer case that happens in every town, every Saturday night.

 
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FFS, we're not still banging on about a two tier justice system are we?

Do your own research. The average time it was taking for cases to get to court was 200 days or more back in 2023, and it's got significantly worse since then. There's a vast backlog in the courts and in the CPS case files, and strangely enough that also got considerably worse under the last government.

The only cases that got turned around quickly have been the rioters, which was a government choice to stem widespread disorder.

Everyone else has to grind through the system, no matter how black and white your personal opinion on it is. It's not a fucking conspiracy.

If this particular case upsets you, then that's down to you, but I can't see any evidence that this is being treated differently to any other affray, assault, or assault police officer case that happens in every town, every Saturday night.

There is a public interest and trust issue here, as there was with the rioters.

The fact that government intervened and accelerated the riot and social media cases is demonstrable evidence of a two tier system.

At least a decision on charges could be made. It’s not as if there isn’t a video showing multiple assaults on emergency workers to help in that regard.

Your stats show time from charge to completion, which is irrelevant as charges have yet to be laid despite there being some fairly clear evidence
 
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There is a public interest and trust issue here, as there was with the rioters.

The fact that government intervened and accelerated those cases is demonstrable vidence of a two tier ssyatem.

At least a decision on charges could be made.

It would be a two tier system if the Manchester airport incident was an organised riot. Was it?

The reasons for pushing through the prosecutions on the rioters were quite clearly stated, whether you agree with them or not is moot. Other than that, where's your evidence that the Manchester incident is being treated differently to any other criminal case?
 

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FFS, we're not still banging on about a two tier justice system are we?

Do your own research. The average time it was taking for cases to get to court was 200 days or more back in 2023, and it's got significantly worse since then. There's a vast backlog in the courts and in the CPS case files, and strangely enough that also got considerably worse under the last government.

The only cases that got turned around quickly have been the rioters, which was a government choice to stem widespread disorder.

Everyone else has to grind through the system, no matter how black and white your personal opinion on it is. It's not a fucking conspiracy.

If this particular case upsets you, then that's down to you, but I can't see any evidence that this is being treated differently to any other affray, assault, or assault police officer case that happens in every town, every Saturday night.

Isn't the issue that they haven't even been charged, not that it hasn't got to court?

Can you see the difference between the airport and this one?


Where he was charged and sentenced within a couple of months?

What about this one?

 
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It would be a two tier system if the Manchester airport incident was an organised riot. Was it?

The reasons for pushing through the prosecutions on the rioters were quite clearly stated, whether you agree with them or not is moot. Other than that, where's your evidence that the Manchester incident is being treated differently to any other criminal case?
Where’s your evidence that It isn’t?
There is no reason why a decision to charge, or not, couldn’t have been made.
Continued delay could easily lead to more disturbances and breaches of the peace.
 

MalcSB

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Isn't the issue that they haven't even been charged, not that it hasn't got to court?

Can you see the difference between the airport and this one?


Where he was charged and sentenced within a couple of months?

What about this one?

Exactly the point.
 

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Recently? On this thread?
On the Southport one to Earlsdon saying one side of the debate wasn’t interested now it was a convert to Islam. I think that’s what he meant and I said it was abhorrent whether it was a Muslim a Christian or an atheist
 

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On the Southport one to Earlsdon saying one side of the debate wasn’t interested now it was a convert to Islam. I think that’s what he meant and I said it was abhorrent whether it was a Muslim a Christian or an atheist
I can't remember the last terrorist attack in the name of atheism ;)
 

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