Manchester Airport Incident

[Nick]

Think both the cunts deserve a few kicks in the head.

Add in that dodgy solicitor they had. (I didn't realise he was the gimp I saw stood on the back of pickup truck preaching on Foleshill road too)

 

[Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon]

but what about the two tier justice system? all the experts on here were implying the police officers involved were going to be scapegoated and everyone else let off.

That was the globalist's plan until big Nige threatened to get involved and made them do this properly

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Feel like pure shit just want my two tiers back

but what about the two tier justice system? all the experts on here were implying the police officers involved were going to be scapegoated and everyone else let off.

Of course we will never know, but I think if it wasn't for the level of backlash, we may have seen a different outcome to be honest. What started out as witch-hunt on the police officers became quite a long and awkward silence.

The two tier thing is a very long and complicated matter which I have no doubt could fill another hundred pages on this forum. One of the biggest arguments for this particular case was that the rioters (and people saying naughty words online) were being expedited to prison, whilst this case has taken six months to come to a head. That might be normal process usually, but I think it is fair to say the latter incident and the handling of it was pouring petrol on the fire of the situation at the time. It was certainly of mass public interest and being used an excuse for people to misbehave.

We might not hear the end of this anyway, as any sentencing will probably be quite low level given the charge appears to be ABH they are running with. Looks like there's a few high profile court cases within a few days coming up in January, that all coincides with Trump entering the White House as well. Buzzing!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

That was the globalist's plan until big Nige threatened to get involved and made them do this properly

Yep that’s the story on Twitter too

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Of course we will never know, but I think if it wasn't for the level of backlash, we may have seen a different outcome to be honest. What started out as witch-hunt on the police officers became quite a long and awkward silence.

The two tier thing is a very long and complicated matter which I have no doubt could fill another hundred pages on this forum. One of the biggest arguments for this particular case was that the rioters (and people saying naughty words online) were being expedited to prison, whilst this case has taken six months to come to a head. That might be normal process usually, but I think it is fair to say the latter incident and the handling of it was pouring petrol on the fire of the situation at the time. It was certainly of mass public interest and being used an excuse for people to misbehave.

We might not hear the end of this anyway, as any sentencing will probably be quite low level given the charge appears to be ABH they are running with. Looks like there's a few high profile court cases within a few days coming up in January, that all coincides with Trump entering the White House as well. Buzzing!

Tricky to expedite anything in the court system until someone is charged. Easier when they’re filming themselves and then pleading guilty of course

 

[fernandopartridge]

It was in Manchester

GMP has been called institutionally racist as well TBF.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Of course we will never know, but I think if it wasn't for the level of backlash, we may have seen a different outcome to be honest. What started out as witch-hunt on the police officers became quite a long and awkward silence.

The two tier thing is a very long and complicated matter which I have no doubt could fill another hundred pages on this forum. One of the biggest arguments for this particular case was that the rioters (and people saying naughty words online) were being expedited to prison, whilst this case has taken six months to come to a head. That might be normal process usually, but I think it is fair to say the latter incident and the handling of it was pouring petrol on the fire of the situation at the time. It was certainly of mass public interest and being used an excuse for people to misbehave.

We might not hear the end of this anyway, as any sentencing will probably be quite low level given the charge appears to be ABH they are running with. Looks like there's a few high profile court cases within a few days coming up in January, that all coincides with Trump entering the White House as well. Buzzing!

What was the backlash against? There was never any indication that they wouldn't be charged, it was just a timing thing. A backslash against something that wasn't happening anyway caused it not to happen.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Tricky to expedite anything in the court system until someone is charged. Easier when they’re filming themselves and then pleading guilty of course

That's the whole argument in this situation. Do it for some, not for others.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

What was the backlash against? There was never any indication that they wouldn't be charged, it was just a timing thing. A backslash against something that wasn't happening anyway caused it not to happen.

You can argue it any which way, the truth of it is that no one will ever know.

There was something posted on another thread the other day which is another example of a cover up. There have been many such examples of it, the Rotherham scandal being one of the big ones that stands out. You can see why there isn't a lot of faith in the justice system in this country.

 

[SBT]

Of course we will never know, but I think if it wasn't for the level of backlash, we may have seen a different outcome to be honest. What started out as witch-hunt on the police officers became quite a long and awkward silence.

The two tier thing is a very long and complicated matter which I have no doubt could fill another hundred pages on this forum. One of the biggest arguments for this particular case was that the rioters (and people saying naughty words online) were being expedited to prison, whilst this case has taken six months to come to a head.

Or alternatively it was just the normal workings of what appears to be quite a stretched and under-resourced criminal justice system. As you say, we will never know.

I never understood the uproar over the Southport rioters being expedited to prison - surely you would expect the police and the courts to operate differently when dealing with an immediate security threat than they would with other disorder? If these blokes kicking off at the airport and their family/friends/supporters started to incite sporadic racist violence across the country then I imagine they’d get the same treatment. But they didn’t.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You can argue it any which way, the truth of it is that no one will ever know.

There was something posted on another thread the other day which is another example of a cover up. There have been many such examples of it, the Rotherham scandal being one of the big ones that stands out. You can see why there isn't a lot of faith in the justice system in this country.

The justice system is generally prejudicial not against race but against wealth and power imbalances. Take the Hillsborough and Post Office scandals as two high profile cases.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Or alternatively it was just the normal workings of what appears to be quite a stretched and under-resourced criminal justice system. As you say, we will never know.

I never understood the uproar over the Southport rioters being expedited to prison - surely you would expect the police and the courts to operate differently when dealing with an immediate security threat than they would with other disorder? If these blokes kicking off at the airport and their family/friends/supporters started to incite sporadic racist violence across the country then I imagine they’d get the same treatment. But they didn’t.

Mass public interest was the phrase I think is relevant to the Manchester Airport incident. Rightly or wrongly, it was being used as an excuse to misbehave. If they were exercising effectively emergency protocols to get on top of what was going on due to a break down in order, it seems prudent to me that they should have done the same here as it was one of several incidents around the time. Zero tolerance approach across the board for any disorder at that time.

I think the fast action against the rioters was completely justified as well. My only questions sit with some of the sentences to the farily low level offenders. That's only in comparison for some of the soft punishments we see handed out for pretty terrible offences across the country generally.

 

[SBT]

Mass public interest was the phrase I think is relevant to the Manchester Airport incident. Rightly or wrongly, it was being used as an excuse to misbehave. If they were exercising effectively emergency protocols to get on top of what was going on due to a break down in order, it seems prudent to me that they should have done the same here as it was one of several incidents around the time. Zero tolerance approach across the board for any disorder at that time.

I think the fast action against the rioters was completely justified as well. My only questions sit with some of the sentences to the farily low level offenders. That's only in comparison for some of the soft punishments we see handed out for pretty terrible offences across the country generally.

Public safety and security is one thing, but I think it sets a dangerous precedent to let “mass public interest” steer how the courts and the police handle individual cases. While the public interest is already enshrined as a judicial principle, that doesn’t extend to letting bad faith actors distort the outcome if they drum up enough outrage about it online.

The fact of the matter is that this incident did not result in a breakdown in order on anything like the scale we saw after Southport, and was policed accordingly.

 

[shmmeee]

That was the globalist's plan until big Nige threatened to get involved and made them do this properly

Globalists like American billionaires buying British politics or other globalists?

 

[Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon]

Globalists like American billionaires buying British politics or other globalists?

No, the bad ones

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Public safety and security is one thing, but I think it sets a dangerous precedent to let “mass public interest” steer how the courts and the police handle individual cases. While the public interest is already enshrined as a judicial principle, that doesn’t extend to letting bad faith actors distort the outcome if they drum up enough outrage about it online.

The fact of the matter is that this incident did not result in a breakdown in order on anything like the scale we saw after Southport, and was policed accordingly.

I think this case undoubtedly did contribute to the breakdown in law and order. That's really my point and probably where we differ.

The second video with the full incident came out before the Southport stabbings took place, and was one of quite a few incidents within a few days that riled people up. People were out kicking off because they believe the muslim demographic are causing too many issues and aren't being held accountable. To then round up all the people kicking off about it quickly (and in some cases for pretty minor crimes), but seemingly approach the muslims who kicked the shit out of police (and tried to play victim) with no urgency was not a particularly good look and contributed to the mood of unrest significantly.

I do think it didn't help that the perpetrators tried to spin it the other way and had the backing of many public figures including politicians, who then seemingly disappeared into thin air when the full video came out as well.

 

[SBT]

The second video with the full incident came out before the Southport stabbings took place, and was one of quite a few incidents within a few days that riled people up. People were out kicking off because they believe the muslim demographic are causing too many issues and aren't being held accountable.

Who cares? They were wrong. We shouldn’t start changing our policing practices to placate a violent racist mob.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Who cares? They were wrong. We shouldn’t start changing our policing practices to placate a violent racist mob.

A lot of people care. The shape of the future of this country will no doubt care. It's on a very worrying slope at the moment, and a violent racist mob aren't the only people with concerns.

It's possible to think it's right to bang up the people doing the riots, and also question the way law and order is upheld in this country as well. There's a bigger picture.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

Sorry, can i flag the elephant in the room here - independently verified CCTV footage shows a serving police officer kicking a prone member of the public (who was prone because he had been tasered) IN THE HEAD, and then stamping on his thigh.

Am i the only person on here who thinks that is unacceptable in this country, irrespective of the preceding events and the ethnicity of the person who was kicked?

 

[Marty]

Sorry, can i flag the elephant in the room here - independently verified CCTV footage shows a serving police officer kicking a prone member of the public (who was prone because he had been tasered) IN THE HEAD, and then stamping on his thigh.

Am i the only person on here who thinks that is unacceptable in this country, irrespective of the preceding events and the ethnicity of the person who was kicked?

He was on his way back up, no doubt to wreak more havock, fully justified to defend himself and his colleagues from further damage, and let's remember, the 2 women were both incapacitated at that point and were about as useful as me sat at home 100 miles away.

 

[shmmeee]

I’m generally of the opinion that any injuries sustained while committing a crime aren’t deserving of any sympathy. If you’re a counter terrorism cop then someone attacking you generally only means one thing. I wouldn’t say it should happen but I won’t lose any sleep over it happening.

 

[Grendel]

Sorry, can i flag the elephant in the room here - independently verified CCTV footage shows a serving police officer kicking a prone member of the public (who was prone because he had been tasered) IN THE HEAD, and then stamping on his thigh.

Am i the only person on here who thinks that is unacceptable in this country, irrespective of the preceding events and the ethnicity of the person who was kicked?

Rough justice but fair justice

 

[SBT]

A lot of people care. The shape of the future of this country will no doubt care. It's on a very worrying slope at the moment, and a violent racist mob aren't the only people with concerns.

It's possible to think it's right to bang up the people doing the riots, and also question the way law and order is upheld in this country as well. There's a bigger picture.

Whatever your opinions on the Southport rioters, they shouldn’t be allowed to influence our justice system. Prosecute cases on their own merits, not on whether they’re “rightly or wrongly” likely to inspire racist violence. (The answer is wrongly btw)

 

[PVA]

He was on his way back up, no doubt to wreak more havock, fully justified to defend himself and his colleagues from further damage, and let's remember, the 2 women were both incapacitated at that point and were about as useful as me sat at home 100 miles away.

He absolutely was not on his way back up.

And it wasn't just a kick to the head, he tried to stamp on his head but didn't connect. If he had, then he'd probably have killed him.

I'm pretty uneasy about it. The guy is obviously a c**t and deserves a beating for hitting a woman. But that from a police officer just seemed a bit too far.

 

[Nick]

Who cares? They were wrong. We shouldn’t start changing our policing practices to placate a violent racist mob.

The ones that were stood outside the police station acting like these brothers were victims?

 

[Nick]

He absolutely was not on his way back up.

And it wasn't just a kick to the head, he tried to stamp on his head but didn't connect. If he had, then he'd probably have killed him.

I'm pretty uneasy about it. The guy is obviously a c**t and deserves a beating for hitting a woman. But that from a police officer just seemed a bit too far.

He wouldn't have killed him at all. Let's face it, you fuck around like that whacking police in airports there's a lot of countries where you would get a bullet in the head.

 

[Alkhen]

He absolutely was not on his way back up.

And it wasn't just a kick to the head, he tried to stamp on his head but didn't connect. If he had, then he'd probably have killed him.

I'm pretty uneasy about it. The guy is obviously a c**t and deserves a beating for hitting a woman. But that from a police officer just seemed a bit too far.

That's where I'm at. Commented at the time that the Cop had lost their had. Now seen more angles and you can fully see why, still doesn't mean you can stamp on someone or kick them in the head. I'd deffo have done the same but would have expected to faced some fall out.

 

[Nick]

Let's not forget the mum... Acting the victim as well but it was her own son who blacked her eyes.

Obviously it's in the family DNA to be a c**t.

 

[PVA]

He wouldn't have killed him at all. Let's face it, you fuck around like that whacking police in airports there's a lot of countries where you would get a bullet in the head.

Of course it could have killed him. Ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

 

[SBT]

The ones that were stood outside the police station acting like these brothers were victims?

No, we shouldn’t make policing decisions for their benefit either - hence these guys getting charged.

 

[Marty]

He absolutely was not on his way back up.

And it wasn't just a kick to the head, he tried to stamp on his head but didn't connect. If he had, then he'd probably have killed him.

I'm pretty uneasy about it. The guy is obviously a c**t and deserves a beating for hitting a woman. But that from a police officer just seemed a bit too far.

Stop talking so weak. They instigated the whole thing.

 

[PVA]

Stop talking so weak. They instigated the whole thing.

I never said they didn't.

Look I know you guys are all sad now they've been charged because you can't moan about it anymore, but there's no need to make things up.

 

[Marty]

I never said they didn't.

Look I know you guys are all sad now they've been charged because you can't moan about it anymore, but there's no need to make things up.

I'm not sure I've even made a post regarding this subject since the initial incident.

 

[PVA]

Also just seen Farage is taking credit for the charges

 

[Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon]

The trial for this will be interesting, im surprised the copper isnt facing any charges but given the level of scrutiny this will have been thoroughly considered. I wonder if via the trial we'll get more insight into why not, i think they mentioned accounting for various factors including their training. Hopefully these shitheads get a lengthy spell behind bars. FAFO.