January Transfer Window

[MusicDating]

I dont get the obsession with Walsh, he hasn't really done much in this division and would he replace Sheaf or Hamer?

Nor me, but reading back, there did seem to be some sort of contagious mass hysteria last night because we didn't sign anyone! I assume a signing broadly follows this -

Identify a player
Approach
Negotiate
Agree deal

Everyone loves a new signing, but what player that we wanted would be a) good enough and b) happy to be back up for O'Hare?

 

[rexo87]

Nor me, but reading back, there did seem to be some sort of contagious mass hysteria last night because we didn't sign anyone! I assume a signing broadly follows this -

Identify a player
Approach
Negotiate
Agree deal

Everyone loves a new signing, but what player that we wanted would be a) good enough and b) happy to be back up for O'Hare?

We play will 2 attacking midfielders most of the time

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[Frostie]

I dont get the obsession with Walsh, he hasn't really done much in this division and would he replace Sheaf or Hamer?

Of course not, he's injury prone, on big money & never proved himself at this level but if he's:
A) A former player or
B) "From Cov"
Then our fans will always say we've missed out somehow.

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

I dont get the obsession with Walsh, he hasn't really done much in this division and would he replace Sheaf or Hamer?

I’d love to have him back but like you said Nick-just not proved in this league. Loan to Hull ideal-he needs matches and he needs a run of games injury free.

He wouldn’t be guaranteed that here.


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[SBT]

Of course not, he's injury prone, on big money & never proved himself at this level but if he's:
A) A former player or
B) "From Cov"
Then our fans will always say we've missed out somehow.

I also would have accepted "scored 20 goals in the Scottish Championship" or "ran really fast against Solihull U23s".

 

[AOM]

Bright Enobakhare has signed for Hapoel Jerusalem F.C.
What a wild CV that guy has

 

[Nick]

Bright Enobakhare has signed for Hapoel Jerusalem F.C.
What a wild CV that guy has

Jesus Christ.

 

[SBT]

Bright Enobakhare has signed for Hapoel Jerusalem F.C.
What a wild CV that guy has

The last thing that region needs is another thing to argue about

 

[fernandopartridge]

Certainly suits his opinion of himself

Jesus Christ.

 

[baldy]

Bright Enobakhare has signed for Hapoel Jerusalem F.C.
What a wild CV that guy has

Hope for their sake he’s not a bad Hapoel

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It's obviously a good thing. But do you honestly believe that any received definitive interest from clubs? If they had I'd wager a sale would've probably been made.

It's not like we were swatting away bids left, right and centre. Unless you naively believe Boddy's narrative.

Congratulating the club on not farming out players in the January window is an odd position to take.

I’m not congratulating them I’m asking someone whether it’s a good thing
I honestly believe interest was received but no offer anywhere near what we’d need to replace
I also believe that the model shmmee referred of buying cheap, developing and selling and reinvesting is in need of a rethink to progress from where we have got to

 

[AOM]

The last thing that region needs is another thing to argue about

Gets to reset the big book of excuses for failing to turn up to games and training too

 

[SSB]

I’m not congratulating them I’m asking someone whether it’s a good thing
I honestly believe interest was received but no offer anywhere near what we’d need to replace
I also believe that the model shmmee referred of buying cheap, developing and selling and reinvesting is in need of a rethink to progress from where we have got to

At best the interest received would've been enquiries. I refuse to believe any bids were formally submitted. Strange how other bids were reported in the Championship yet ours managed to be kept under lock and key?

All well and good saying it needs a rethink but what's the alternative? It's the only real way we generate significant income. The only way to overcome the obstacles that have arisen in the last couple of years with regards to the model - lower divisions of European market being closed off, EFL market subsequently becoming even more inflated etc etc. - is more owner investment which isn't going to happen.

 

[shmmeee]

I’m not congratulating them I’m asking someone whether it’s a good thing
I honestly believe interest was received but no offer anywhere near what we’d need to replace
I also believe that the model shmmee referred of buying cheap, developing and selling and reinvesting is in need of a rethink to progress from where we have got to

We need to go back to the model we had when Sisu took over which means buying the best young L1 talent really. Which you won’t do for nothing. We should be looking at the likes of Twine and Sykes in L1 to move us forward but they won’t come for free.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

We need to go back to the model we had when Sisu took over which means buying the best young L1 talent really. Which you won’t do for nothing. We should be looking at the likes of Twine and Sykes in L1 to move us forward but they won’t come for free.

I never knew why they diverged from that strategy? Possibly because Gunarsson and Westwood walked out for nothing? But Dann and Fox made profit

 

[SSB]

We need to go back to the model we had when Sisu took over which means buying the best young L1 talent really. Which you won’t do for nothing. We should be looking at the likes of Twine and Sykes in L1 to move us forward but they won’t come for free.

The market has completely changed though since we were last able to do that. You can't get prime L1 talent for £1-2m anymore really. The asking price has now doubled, even tripled in some cases.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

And it's your kind of post that I don't understand. There's always a ceiling and at some point the progress will come to a grinding halt. We're simply not going to continually improve season after season. That POV is unrealistic and completely unsustainable. All it takes is one bad window and the house of cards will come crumbling down.

At some point the bubble will pop.

Why are you ignoring the evidence of the last 5 years?
It’s a fair question to ask what’s different from 5 years ago when fisher said we couldn’t sustain a championship club

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

At best the interest received would've been enquiries. I refuse to believe any bids were formally submitted. Strange how other bids were reported in the Championship yet ours managed to be kept under lock and key?

All well and good saying it needs a rethink but what's the alternative? It's the only real way we generate significant income. The only way to overcome the obstacles that have arisen in the last couple of years with regards to the model - lower divisions of European market being closed off, EFL market subsequently becoming even more inflated etc etc. - is more owner investment which isn't going to happen.

Or to make more money from other sources. We won’t be getting investment that isn’t a loan from the owner I don’t think. Let’s just give up eh

Tell Dave there’s no point
Tell mark he should leave
Tell the players we can’t compete
Tell the fans not to bother
Ffs let’s get behind the ckubv

 

[SSB]

Why are you ignoring the evidence of the last 5 years?
It’s a fair question to ask what’s different from 5 years ago when fisher said we couldn’t sustain a championship club

How am I ignoring evidence? You can't honestly think we're going to continuously improve in this league season after season with one of the smallest budgets in the league?

 

[SSB]

Or to make more money from other sources. We won’t be getting investment that isn’t a loan from the owner I don’t think. Let’s just give up eh

Tell Dave there’s no point
Tell mark he should leave
Tell the players we can’t compete
Tell the fans not to bother
Ffs let’s get behind the ckubv

And what sources will provide similar returns as player sales?

Enlighten us.

 

[shmmeee]

The market has completely changed though since we were last able to do that. You can't get prime L1 talent for £1-2m anymore really. The asking price has now doubled, even tripled in some cases.

And so has the return. Maddison went for £2.5m and was sold for £22.5m. Wilson £3.3m to £20m. Konza £2.5m to £12m.

And only 5 players have ever gone for £6m or more from L1, only one in the last 5 years. And that was a 27 yo Sunderland player they’d bought for £10m.

 

[SBT]

Or to make more money from other sources. We won’t be getting investment that isn’t a loan from the owner I don’t think. Let’s just give up eh

Tell Dave there’s no point
Tell mark he should leave
Tell the players we can’t compete
Tell the fans not to bother
Ffs let’s get behind the ckubv

We got behind the club in record numbers only to be told that actually, sorry, it won't make any difference to the budget this year, we had unforeseen costs.

Am I allowed to argue that someone perhaps should have done a better job of foreseeing them?

 

[SSB]

And so has the return. Maddison went for £2.5m and was sold for £22.5m. Wilson £3.3m to £20m. Konza £2.5m to £12m.

And only 5 players have ever gone for £6m or more from L1, only one in the last 5 years. And that was a 27 yo Sunderland player they’d bought for £10m.

Yeah and as a strategy it's all well and good, but SISU aren't ever going to inject that kind of cash into the club so it's irrelevant. I've already said this to Sky Blue Pete.

I did say tripled in some cases....

 

[shmmeee]

Yeah and as a strategy it's all well and good, but SISU aren't ever going to inject that kind of cash into the club so it's irrelevant. I've already said this to Sky Blue Pete.

I did say tripled in some cases....

We’ve shown decent returns from Prem castoffs for about £1m which is good business. I just think generally a player is more likely to get to Prem level coming up than bouncing back from being released so if your strategy is to sustain the club on player sales then you need to accept the cost of stock has gone up.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

How am I ignoring evidence? You can't honestly think we're going to continuously improve in this league season after season with one of the smallest budgets in the league?

The budget will increase year on year but not ever enough to give us a top 6 budget.
Are you thinking there’s a rich fan that is willing to gift £15m a year for no return? If you know their name get them in touch with Ms Seppala

 

[shmmeee]

The budget will increase year on year but not ever enough to give us a top 6 budget.
Are you thinking there’s a rich fan that is willing to gift £15m a year for no return? If you know their name get them in touch with Ms Seppala

We aren’t anything like £15m a year from a decent squad. More like £2-3m

 

[SSB]

The budget will increase year on year but not ever enough to give us a top 6 budget.
Are you thinking there’s a rich fan that is willing to gift £15m a year for no return? If you know their name get them in touch with Ms Seppala

How will it increase year on year Pete? Attendances are unlikely to increase, nor is commercial revenue. So again I ask please enlighten me on how the budget will increase without further investment from SISU which is only likely to damage the club??

No I'm not you've plucked that out of thin air as you have with your other ridiculous points.

 

[SSB]

We’ve shown decent returns from Prem castoffs for about £1m which is good business. I just think generally a player is more likely to get to Prem level coming up than bouncing back from being released so if your strategy is to sustain the club on player sales then you need to accept the cost of stock has gone up.

I don't disagree with the strategy I think it makes sense. That being said there are obvious road blocks - mainly from an owner who's mindset has changed completely compared to the last time we were in the Championship.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Or to make more money from other sources. We won’t be getting investment that isn’t a loan from the owner I don’t think. Let’s just give up eh

Tell Dave there’s no point
Tell mark he should leave
Tell the players we can’t compete
Tell the fans not to bother
Ffs let’s get behind the ckubv

The next time you meet “Dave” could you ask what clubs these bids were from as they have not been reported by anyone else?

 

[SSB]

The next time you meet “Dave” could you ask what clubs these bids were from as they have not been reported by anyone else?

Despite other 'significant bids' received by Championship clubs being heavily reported in the media throughout the window.

 

[oldfiver]

We aren’t anything like £15m a year from a decent squad. More like £2-3m

Middlesbrough threw 2 players into the game on Saturday that cost more than that in wages alone

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

We got behind the club in record numbers only to be told that actually, sorry, it won't make any difference to the budget this year, we had unforeseen costs.

Am I allowed to argue that someone perhaps should have done a better job of foreseeing them?

And we’ve been able to invest in improving contracts and added a long term championship standard wing back

 

[shmmeee]

Middlesbrough threw 2 players into the game on Saturday that cost more than that in wages alone

Middlesborough don’t have Robins and Viveash.

 

[Grendel]

I never knew why they diverged from that strategy? Possibly because Gunarsson and Westwood walked out for nothing? But Dann and Fox made profit

Fox didn’t make a profit and a lot of the players signed were poor

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

We aren’t anything like £15m a year from a decent squad. More like £2-3m

Do we know any of those??